Andreas Tille wrote: >On Wed, 28 Mar 2007, Sven Luther wrote: >>[...] >>because i >>was not pliable enough to the power-hungryness of a few who believe themselves >>debian overlords, and with this current precedent, i only question who is >>next. > >Well, if you think this would be the reason I'm sitting probably next to >the expulsion chair and I know many DDs who will sit in a row with myself. >I doubt that power-hungryness is the reason for the problems you faced. Having publicly asked the DPL to undelegate one of the DAMs, I suspect that I would sit in the row with Andreas. The DAM in question, James Troup, is still in power, yet I must confess that I am aware of no suggestion, plot, movement or threat by him or by anyone else to suspend or expel me from the Project for being obnoxious to James. (By confessing, I do not deny the strange-seeming nature of the lingering case of Goswin von Brederlow, but that is neither an expulsion matter nor a matter I understand well.) The difference is that Andreas and I do not several times daily demand the attention of hundreds of Debian list subscribers to air our complaints, nor do we repeatedly, vexatiously petition the Technical Committee, etc. When other DDs deny us what we want, we generally accept the fact in good humor and move quietly along about our business---as a result of which, we seldom actually encounter DDs who stonewalledly deny us what we want (including Frans Pop, a good man whose good name the present dispute has undeservedly tarnished). We disagree sometimes, but we get along. In my own instance, I petitioned for James' removal, lost, and shut up. In Sven's instance ... well, never mind; we've already discussed Sven's case enough. Suffice it to say that my own e-mail killfile includes few names, but that among them for the past two years or so has stood Sven's (whom I do not dislike, but whose voluminious e-mail I will not spare the time to read). The Project's governance problems are severe enough without adding to them abuses that do not exist. Debian's present DAMs have never shown any sign, as far as I am aware, of threatening any DD's membership on account of anti-cabalism or other dissent. Andreas is right. -- Thaddeus H. Black
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