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Re: Minutes of an Ubuntu-Debian discussion that happened at Debconf

On Wed, Jun 28, 2006 at 11:30:15AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> 3. Some people have expressed concerns about Launchpad.net: they would
> like to have access to technical information that flows through Launchpad
> but they don't want to sign up for a full Launchpad.net password-protected
> account. All informations on the web interface can already be browsed
> without having an account however you can't subscribe to Malone (Ubuntu's
> BTS) or to the spec tracker without an account right now. Canonical agreed
> to offer a simple subscription mechanism which wouldn't require a
> password-protected Launchpad.net account.

This is great. Absolutely wonderful. I recently talked about nbd in
Ubuntu in my blog[1], and the reason I did it through my blog rather
than through Ubuntu's BTS was just this. When filing a bug in Ubuntu's
BTS, it feels very impersonal; I am not at all sure whether a bug that I
file is going to be noticed, or whether it is going to be lost in the
noise that is generated by Ubuntu's thousands of users who are /also/
filing bugs in that same BTS.

If this alternative is going to be an effective way for me to
communicate with Ubuntu (one that is separate from the contact points
that Ubuntu has with its users, such as its BTS, and that does not
require me to jump through hoops like Yet Another Web-based Password),
then I'm hopeful it will encourage me to use this communication channel
more in the future.

[1] http://grep.be/blog/en/computer/debian/ubuntu_main_and_Debian_Developers

> 4. Debian should provide patches of changes between two revisions of a
> package to make it easier for derivatives to track Debian. This is just
> like point 2, but reversed.

This would be interesting not only for derivatives, but also for Debian
itself. Currently, it's very hard to figure out when and why a
particular change was introduced in a given package; while there is a
changelog, the human language of a changelog does not always easily map
to source changes, or (especially) vice versa, if it even does so at
all. I do think it can help QA efforts (even if I'm not involved with
that part of Debian) if we were to have some sort of way to request
patches from a certain place between arbitrary package versions.

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