Re: Advertising on Planet Debian
On Wed, 2005-05-04 at 13:46 +0200, Santiago Vila wrote:
> On Tue, 3 May 2005, Pascal Hakim wrote:
> > On Tue, May 03, 2005 at 12:04:51PM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote:
> Sure. The easy thing is to have a wonderful anti-spam "policy" which does
> not work and ask others to start chasing people to collect payment.
>
> That is not the way we were enforcing this policy in the past. The
> policy was there *because* we had a way to enforce it. If we do not
> have any way to enforce it anymore, we should abandon such policy.
Then file a wishlist bugs against www.debian.org and get them to remove
it?
> > > b) Be serious and prevent spam from reaching our lists *much* more
> > > effectively. What we are doing to fight spam in the lists is
> > > clearly not enough.
> >
> > What we are doing is mostly what the listmasters believe is appropriate.
>
> Unfortunately, what you, listmasters, believe is "appropriate" might
> not be the same as users of the lists consider appropriate. Have you
> ever asked people in the lists how much spam do they want to receive?
>
We're getting roughly the same amount of people complaining about lists
being too restrictive as people complaining about the list not being
restrictive enough.
I figure that's about the good spot to sit in?
> > I'm at the point, where I believe that having much stricter spam
> > checking results in too many false positives, or causes our users more
> > trouble than its worth.
> >
> > If there was a perfect solution to spam, we'd all be using it already.
>
> There isn't any Final Ultimate Solution to the Spam Problem [*], but that's
> not an excuse to not improve filtering at lists.debian.org, where it can
> be improved. For example:
>
> * Razor does not work properly yet (still receive messages in razor from l.d.o)
> * Pyzor does not work properly yet (still receive messages in pyzor from l.d.o)
There's a whole bunch of messages in the junk folder that were caught by
razor.
> * Are you already using greylisting?
DSA seems to not like the idea of running a full DB on murphy. This
restricts the kinds of greylisting we can do. This is something I'd like
to move forward to, but will take a while.
> * Are you already using the DCC?
No.
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