Re: Poll results: User views on the FDL issue
On Fri, Apr 22, 2005 at 07:43:47PM -0400, Marty wrote:
> Glenn Maynard wrote:
> >On Fri, Apr 22, 2005 at 06:02:25PM -0400, Marty wrote:
> >>Glenn Maynard wrote:
> >>> http://www.debian.org/vote/2004/vote_003
> >>>
> >>> "1. Debian will remain 100% free
> >>>
> >>> We provide the guidelines that we use to determine if a work is "free"
> >>> in the document entitled "The Debian Free Software Guidelines". We
> >>> promise that the Debian system and all its components will be free
> >>> according to these guidelines. We will support people who create or
> >>> use both free and non-free works on Debian. We will never make the
> >>> system require the use of a non-free component."
> >>
> >>I accept this vote regarding "Free Software," but I don't accept your
> >>implicit re-definition of the word "software" to include documentation.
> >
> >The definition of the word "software" is irrelevant. The SC, above, does
> >not care about the definition of "software"; it very explicitly refers to
> >"works". This change was explicit and intentional, for exactly this
> >purpose--so people such as yourself might stop trying to dictionary-lawyer
> >documentation around the DFSG.
>
> Who's playing the legalistic word games here? The licenses are software
> licenses. You're the one trying to spin these words into something they
> don't say. I just wrote that if it were explicity spelled out that
> everything is equated to software, as a matter of policy, it would
> remove most of my objections. Why is that so unreasonable?
No, the text is extremely clear. If you can't understand them, the fault
lies in you, not the text.
> >(This really isn't up for debate; while there are a couple other people
> >claiming things like "we were tricked!",
>
> Oh? I can't imagine why. LOL
I can. A couple people don't like the result of the votes, and so they
claim that Debian Developers aren't smart enough to read and understand
things before voting. I reject that claim. If anyone really didn't
understand the issues at the time of GR2004-003, they certainly knew
about it by GR2004-004.
> I get it already, everything is "software" in Debian and that issue is
> simply not up for debate or vote. (Some people on your side are just
> more direct about it.)
Again (and for the last time), that's irrelevant. The SC, above, refers
to Works, so the meaning of "software" is irrelevant. The only place
the word "Software" is used above is in the title of the DFSG.
--
Glenn Maynard
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