Hello again, On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 06:19:55PM +0100, Michael Banck wrote: > Could everbody interested please fill out that small query below and > send the answers to me? Thanks a lot to everybody who participated. I recieved around a hundred submission, which is a significant part of the Debian developers at least numerically. > I will then present an anonymous summary on this list, in order to cut > down on traffic. Voia, here are the raw results. As they sum up pretty much to 100, I just put them here in order to avoid rounding problems: > 1. Using @d.o for dealing with FLOSS with a tight debian-relationship > (e.g. being upstream or the (co-)maintainer of it) > > Alright Not Alright Don't mind Depends 99 0 1 0 > 2. Using @d.o for dealing with FLOSS with a loose debian-relationship > (e.g. reporting a bug/patch in the upstream bug tracker of an unrelated > package, posting on mailing lists of projects without being the Debian > maintainer etc.) > > Alright Not Alright Don't mind Depends 88 9 3 0 > 3. Using @d.o generally on technical, computer-related mailing lists > (Debian/FLOSS not being the main scope) > > Alright Not Alright Don't mind Depends 56 33 6 2 > 4. Using @d.o as a general-purpose email-address (e.g. using his @d.o > address for all private mail traffic, too) > > Alright Not Alright Don't mind Depends 20 76 4 1 > 5. Putting the @d.o address up on one's personal homepage when > mentioning that one is a DD > > Alright Not Alright Don't mind Depends 92 4 1 1 > 6. Using @d.o for things not connected to Debian and/or FLOSS (e.g. to > register domains/having @d.o in the WHOIS-record of a domain which has > no relationship to the Debian project or FLOSS, or as a contact for > things not directly connected to Debian and/or FLOSS) > > Alright Not Alright Don't mind Depends 24 70 1 0 > 7. Giving away business cards with (your GPG-fingerprint and) your > @d.o address to people you are not connected to via Debian and/or > FLOSS > > Alright Not Alright Don't mind Depends 58 26 5 8 Statistical notes: - I tried to parse 'Don't mind' and 'Depends' as good as possible for those who wrote comments - The big majority of participants (78) just sent in their poll without comments - 15 people considered every option to be 'Alright' - To my knowledge, 3 non-DDs participated. They voted according to the majority, as long as there was a bigger than two-thirds preference for an option amongs the DDs. - I did not rigorously check the authenticity of DDs. I did, however, lookup last names in the db when the mail was not sent from a @d.o-address or I did not recognize the name as being a DD instantly (Hopefully) objective comments on the outcome of the individual questions, along with a couple of quotes. (I quote the comments here in the hope that others will consider them for their own actions on this matter. I hope nobody is offended I quoted him anonymously) Question 1: There's no dispute over this whatsoever. Everybody considers this alright. Question 2: Again, no dispute over this. Almost everybody (~90%) thinks this is alright. Question 3: Opinions were quite split over this one. Only a bit more than the half thinks using @d.o here is alright. A significant number didn't mind here, or said it dependend. Also, I got a couple of interesting comments to consider: - "For instance it would be ok in the mailing lists of legal/standards bodies even if the standard was non-free, if it affected Debian in some way." - "If I approach a Microsoft mailinglist critisizing their non-FLOSS approach in an attempt to enlighten them on FLOSS, I may find it obvious to "put on my Debian hat" to clearly point out my FLOSS engagement. In other words, Debian/FLOSS is not the main scope of the list, but of my email. If you refer to the list then it is IMO alright, but if you mean my email then it is not alright." - "No need to, really, unless you're representing the Project (eg. at OASIS)" - "[Alright], But only when discussing Debian for some reason." - "You may be missing a category: for FLOSS with no (particular) Debian relationship, but which is still FLOSS-scoped. This is getting iffy, but would probably be fine; on completely non-FLOSS, non-Debian things it's even more iffy, and I would default to "no, unless there is a clear reason to do so", which would probably bounce it into "Debian related" by the very nature of the reason." - "Alright in the case of e.g. answering a question directly related to Debian." Question 4: Around 3/4 of all participants think that it's not OK to use @d.o as a general purpose email-address, only 1/5 thinks it's OK. No comments other than to render the answer more precisely were written, AFAICT. Question 5: As for the first two questions, there's no dispute over this. More than 90% think that this is alright. Comments: - "However, the page really ought to indicate that the d.o address is not general-purpose, and give alternate contact info for other contexts." - "[Alright], while stating (or maybe obvious) that it should be used for communication related to Debian." - "If the homepage's main goal is FLOSS, it's ok. If the majority of the content is private, its not ok." Question 6: Again, almost 3/4 of the participants believe using @d.o for things not connected to Debian is a bad idea. There were a couple of comments complaining about the scope of the question, including this one: - "There are too many border cases for me to answer this question. For example, if I use my debian email as the contact address on a personal domain, it may not be, but then I add a .debian.net CNAME for that domain, and begin using it in a way that benefits debian, it may be appropriate." Question 7: Around 60% think it's OK to give away business cards with a @d.o address to people who are not connected to Debian. This was also the question wich resulted in the most comments or 'Depends' votes: - "Alright only if its only one address among others on the card." - "For extending the GPG web of trust, yes. For other reasons, no." - "[It depends on the situation]. If its for commercial stuff then no. Everything else yes." - "I would find it silly if Debian blocks me from "finding new friends": When in non-FLOSS communities curious questions like "what is GPG" or "what is Debian" provoked by that info as part of my card may be the beginning of new FLOSS adventures." - "I, for one, put both my d.o address and my regular mail address, and I urge people to use my regular mail address if it's not strictly Debian related." - "Only if there is a primary non-debian address and the d.o address is only offered as an alternative for Debian-related issues" - "It would be fine to give to a potential developer or something else debian-related." - "The context of it would, of course, be 'Feel free to contact me at this address with any questions you have about Debian or FLOSS in general.'" - "You can never tell if they might be connected to any FLOSS, and if they are into keysigning it just strengthens the WOT." - "Just use two different b-cards, one for debian-signing and one for other" - "Depends on why you are giving the info, but generally okay since being a DD is still a part of what defines you." ==================================== End of (hopefully) objective presentation of results ==================================== So, what are we gonna do with these results? Questions 1, 2 and 5 were clearly considered to be 'alright', while questions 4 and 6 were quite clearly to be considered 'not alright'. The borderline case 3 is probably in the realm of common sense. I will discuss question 7 below. IMHO the overall message which can be drawn is: "Way more than 2/3 of the DDs think that @d.o should used for Debian-related issues only, while using common sense on borderline cases. Around 15% think that one should be free to use @d.o however one sees fit." The question now are: 1.) Are the DMUP sufficient to reflect the opinion of the participating DDs on the usage of @d.o? 2.) If they are not, should they be changed? How could they be changed? 3.) Would it suffice to document the (presumable) opinion of the project in the Debian Developer's Reference as 'best practice'? 4.) Perhaps both is alright? I.e. change the DMUP (in case 1.) is not met) to say '@d.o should only be used for Debian-related purposes', while documenting best practices in the Developer's Reference. 5.) After all is done, should a summary be posted to d-d-a? Now, to question 7. There does not seem to be a clear preference for this. However, I realized that the case here might be a bit different than the others. In the case of giving away business cards, the possible 'collateral' (i.e. somebody else or a perhaps even a large group noticing the misuse of @d.o) damage is quite low. For most of the first six questions, one must be aware that communication might be archived on the web or otherwise be noticed by people not directly related. Thus, it is my opinion that we do not need to really have the carve the usage of Debian business cards in stone. 6.) Should we regiment the usage of business cards with @d.o addresses on them? Again, I'd like to thank everybody for the participation and hope we can have a fruitful discussion on the basis of these results. Michael
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