Re: An ammendment (Re: Formal CFV: General Resolution to Abolish Non-Free)
On Tue, Jun 13, 2000 at 01:27:40AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
> By your argument, again, we ought to just allow everything in. This
You won't win an argument by inventing arguments you wish your opponent had
said. Obviously, I did not say that, and neither did I mean to say it. That
should be obvious from what I've done here over the last 5 years.
> is clearly not what Debian is about. We are about Free Software here,
> folks. Allowing non-free does not increase net utility; it decreases
Could you try to demonstrate that formally, possibly in the notation I
proposed in the earlier message. Do try, it will be humbling ...
> The greatest increase in net utility will come by promoting Free
> Software rather than non-free software.
Sure. And next months you turn around and declare all electrons evil because
they are made by non-free utility companies. Care to prepare a Debian Free
Stone Age Guideline, or DFSAG, for short?
I won't bother replying to this thread. Already too many deaf people shouting.
> -- John
> Dirk Eddelbuettel <firstname.lastname@example.org> writes:
> > (Reformatted for clarity; debian-vote trimmed)
> > John> What do we need a GR for this? What makes you think that there is
> > John> utility in us actually providing it?
> > Dirk> What makes *you* think there isn't? Nice "holier than you" attitude.
> > John> Before you flame, perhaps we could get an answer. I don't see any
> > John> need at all. It's already said in most cases, he's just rewording
> > John> it.
> > Maximising utility over a set will yield a result at least equal to the
> > utility from maximising over a constrained subset of the full set. In other
> > words, we cannot be worse off by allowing non-free in.
> > Everybody not wearing your politically tainted glasses clearly sees the
> > higher utility from being able to use non-free, if so desired. If our users
> > don't want it, they don't use it. That ease. It's about choice, not
> > totalitarian prescription.
> > If you want a "politically correct" subset of Debian, go ahead and fork.
> > --
> > According to the latest figures, 43% of all statistics are totally worthless.
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According to the latest figures, 43% of all statistics are totally worthless.