On Mon, Oct 25, 1999 at 07:37:55AM -0700, Robert Jones wrote: > Quoth Anthony Towns on 25 Oct, 1999: (Saith?) > [ Disclaimer: I am not a Debian developer yet, due to the new-maintainer *sigh* > > First, proposals without code are pointless. They're fun and all to > > discuss and such, but they don't get results. > There is some code that has been offered for a similar proposal now. And your > yourself offered it. :) Besides, this is such a far-reaching policy decision > (effective changing the entire way Debian is versioned and released), I would > be disturbed to see code put into place without some planning done beforehand. The proper order is: thought, prototype, discussion/vote, implementation. Without a prototype, we shouldn't be voting. Throwing out ideas, is fine, we've alreay done a lot of that, even before Lalo said anything. Personally, I was finally getting around to trying to make a prototype. > > Third, voting on `this is what these people will spend their time on in > > future' is completely inappropriate. If it's really a better way, they'll > > spend their time on it because they want to. If it's a bit ambiguous, > > you can spend your time on it if you want to. > As I said, I am relatively new to the Debian project, and I'm not yet a > maintainer, but it strikes me that if we follow this line of thinking, there > is no need for any directing body. Which is a good thing. > If everyone did what they wanted to, or > didn't do it at all, there would be absolutely no reason for this discussion, > or developer voting There's definitely a need for some actual `do we actually want to go ahead and implement this' discussion, which might need to be a vote even, but only /after/ we've got a working implementation. All this `I've got a proposal, let's vote on it' stuff isn't quite right. We didn't vote on debconf, we discussed it, then implemented it. Compare and contrast with the data/ section: we discussed it, voted (via -policy), and... nothing. See http://www.debian.org/~ajt/ for the last version of `look, I made a proposal! Now all the hard work's done, let's just do it'. It didn't work either. Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns <aj@humbug.org.au> <http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/> I don't speak for anyone save myself. PGP encrypted mail preferred. ``The thing is: trying to be too generic is EVIL. It's stupid, it results in slower code, and it results in more bugs.'' -- Linus Torvalds
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