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Re: Builds disturbed by the usage of a 64bit kernel.



On 5/29/07, Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org> wrote:
Albert Cahalan writes:

> Running a 32-bit userspace on a 64-bit kernel is
> however gross, foul, bad, nasty, and wrong.

Rubbish.  It makes a lot of sense for most userspace programs to be
32-bit on a 64-bit PowerPC system.  Unless a program needs to do
64-bit integer arithmetic or access more than 4GB of address space, it
will be smaller and faster as a 32-bit process than as a 64-bit
process.

That sounds like an argument for fixing the problem
via a 32-bit kernel. After all, don't you want the kernel
to be faster and smaller?

The truth is though that normal apps do have these needs.

64-bit integer arithmetic is most apps these days,
excepting the buggy ones that don't handle large files.

Firefox needs the address space. I can get it over 2 GB
on a non-powerpc system. Add in address space
fragmentation and reserved stuff, and there you go.
It's looking like OpenOffice needs it too, but fortunately
I'm not one of the people using *.doc to author books.

Once you start making a few apps 64-bit, you ought to
go the whole way. It's not good to have two copies of
the C library in your instruction cache.

BTW, if you really wanted 32-bit apps to run fast, you'd
create an ILP32 ABI that used the 64-bit registers.
I think the MIPS n32 ABI is exactly that.



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