Re: possibly boot hangs refers to other devices ???
On Sat, 2006-07-08 at 17:58 -0700, brian wrote:
> sorry, more to tell.
>
> i just went away for a break and now the disk is making noise.
How so ? While running ? while idle ?
> it is this parking thing, that was like a clunk before i upgraded
> the disk driver of apple from the 8.1 to 9.1 (the 9.2 driver cause
> mac os to hang on restart) - that is now click but it is loud enough
> you notice. also the disk feels rather warm under my palm.
>
> i guess i will have to go look at hdparm pretty quick at least, or
> go back to bootx for a bit (reference : just zap pram)
if i'ts doing that sort of noise while the machine is ine use, it's time
to think about getting a new disk...
> part of my urgency on the backups was i have replacement
> disk for pismo which could then transfer to the 3400 its old one.
> but i need to back up both first. there is not so much hurry,
> except for me to time with etch --> stable, and which machines
> i have would be compatible with that.
>
> i am a little confuse also about: can use different kernels with
> out reference to version of debian. so for instance 2.4.x with sarge
> or 2.6.15 etc. mixing and matching to me...
>
> possible i could try one of the old world to netboot from the pismo
> as server to try out some things. but i don't even have LAN working
> yet...
> (just wireless internet - one card shared between powerbooks)
>
>
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> Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 2006-07-03 at 22:14 -0700, Daniel Gimpelevich wrote:
>
> > If you really want to bypass extensions when using BootX,
> boot with the
> > Shift key and use the Control Panel.
>
> It's not clear to me what machines he's talking about... but I
> think a
> PowerBook G3 model 2000 is a newworld machine which isn't
> supposed to be
> used with BootX.
>
>
> In general, I also recommend booting oldworld's via Open
> Firmware when
> possible (it can be made to work with beige G3s for example
> using some
> Apple nvram hacks and netboot works with almost every oldworld
> machine
> out there using bootp/tftp, you can netboot the zImage.coff).
> OF booting
> is always more reliable than BootX. The problem with BootX is
> that it
> "kills" MacOS but that sometimes leaves some hardware devices
> in some
> active state, potentially bus mastering or doing other horrors
> behind
> linux back and corrupting memory. You should use BootX if
> nothing else
> works.
>
> Ben.
>
>
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> i am sorry if i have confused people, by mixing topics too much and i
> hope i am
> not doing it again here.
>
> i have to say i have put quick on my powerbook3400/Sarge machine now
> and
> it seems to be fine, perhaps a bit better, but not to say all is well
> yet. i took bens
> advice to eliminate possibly bootx quirks with my misc problems.
>
> it was sufficient for my boot hangs over scsci "double loading" to
> simply use
> the startup version of bootx for this oldworld machine. that is
> specifically
> to restart rather than using the control panel. but because of my list
> of
> other errors i went ahead and got quik going.
>
> for reference: i used ofpath command of ybin package to get the path.
> then
> i used "Apple System Disk" to set the open firmware variable including
> that.
> note - it appears, using the command printenv at OF prompt that the
> apple util
> resets the load base and a couple other variables i am not familiar
> with as well.
> i found link to "ASD" at linuxppc/quik page; also note it is not
> necessary, just
> convenenient - if one checks the debian bug reports for quik, there is
> some
> work at automating better on the linix side, as ybin does for yaboot.
>
> mostly i did not use quik before because i was unsure if i could
> easily still use
> my mac os including conveniently and safely. it took me some while to
> feel assured
> that this was the case. all i do is type bye at the boot prompt rather
> than boot
> (note i told "apple system disk" i wanted a pause). the debian
> installer posts
> a big warning which scared me off and and also some other distros
> advise
> against it. it is not currently set up for beginner to debian even
> transferrees.
>
> i have my entire linux system as the first partition on the disk, of
> type
> "new world bootblock" w/out a separate partition for quik use ,
> followed by
> swap and mac partitions.
>
> more later about my attempts to boot a backup on scsi (internal drive
> here is ata)
> some way some how if not by the powerbook then by a beigeG3/Rev2. (get
> it ?
> back up copy sarge), and perhaps to try the powermanagager stuff again
> on pb3400.
>
> about the other confusion, sorry also: my testing/etch machine is a
> rather highly
> modified pismo/powerbook-firewire. having used yaboot there also made
> it easier for me to try quik. my problem there is i have no backup,
> yet, but i am
> going to try a different drive/cable.
>
> backup is important !! computers and disks burn up ! the all do
> eventually,
> often unexpectedly !!
>
> brian
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