[Popcon-developers] Please review new description and question text
[Bill Allombert]
> So when the atime get actually updated ?
Not entire sure, but I believe it will be updated when the kernel
package is installed or when the initrd is updated?
> If we do not know how to interpret the data, the data is useless.
Well, with that argument, the vote/last use times can be removed
completely from popcon, as it is very hard to know how to interpret
the data. Yet it has proven to be useful, so I believe it isn't
useless.
> This is a loss of privacy without any benefit.
The sysadmin have already said yes to participate and submit this
information to popcon.debian.org.
> What is the proportion of HTTP and SMTP report received ? I will
> give you my estimate tomorrow. What is yours ?
A quick look in the apache log on popcon.debian.org
(gluck.debian.org), tell me that 4916 submissions was sent using http
between 2006-07-23 09:57 -0600 and 2006-07-30 01:55 -0600. According
to the summary web page, 13849 submissions were sent the last 20 days.
So my guess is that 35% of the submissions are received over HTTP. Of
these, I believe (not sure how to verify it) that most of the new
installations of popularity-contest uses HTTP, and most of the old
installations uses SMTP.
The raw numbers:
pere@gluck:~/% head -1 /var/log/apache/access.log
66.92.42.28 - - [23/Jul/2006:09:57:35 -0600] "GET /rss20.xml
HTTP/1.0" 304 - "-" "xscreensaver-text/1.3"
pere@gluck:~/% tail -1 /var/log/apache/access.log
145.97.196.102 - - [30/Jul/2006:01:55:11 -0600] "GET /planet.png
HTTP/1.1" 304 - "http://planet.debian.org"; "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible;
MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0)"
pere@gluck:~/ grep popcon-upload /var/log/apache/access.log|wc
4916 58992 652560
pere@gluck:~/%
> > Do you mean '.deb' packages when you write 'Debian packages'? I read
>
> No. '.deb' files are files embedding a Debian package.
>
> > 'Debian packages' as packages from the Debian archive, and wanted to
> > make it clear that also non-debian packages (aka the packages listed
> > in the unknown section on <URL:http://popcon.debian.org/>) are
> > reported.
>
> The usual usage is that a Debian package is something registered
> with the Debian package management system. This is exacly what
> popcon report. Packages registered by others systems are not
> reported.
Right. Then your understanding of Debian package differ from the one
I read in the description. I want the text to express that all
packages registered within dpkg (aka installed) are reported, no
matter their source. Not sure how to rephrase it in a way that both
you and me would read to express that.
> This _is_ incorrect: if you install popularity-contest from Debian
> on Debian Edu, it will report to Debian not to Skolelinux.
That depend on the configuration. If /etc/popularity-contest.conf
include the URL to the Skolelinux collector, it will report there
instead.
> They have to patch popcon to make it report to another server
> anyway, so they should fix the documentation to suit.
It isn't really required to patch popcon to do that. One just need to
edit /etc/popularity-contest.conf.
> It harms non-buggy programs that use
> Build-Depends/Build-Depends-Indep correctly.
Can you explain what the harm is? As far as I can understand, such
program would still install the same dependencies? Do such programs
exist, btw?
> We should wait a week more. I have still ton of change to review.
OK.
> I am still disappointed you never ask my opinion _before_ commiting
> a change.
When I am in doubt, I submit my comments to the BTS, and hope you get
those messages. It seem to me the good place to store opinions and
comments about changes to the package. When I am not in doubt, I
commit the chnages to CVS as it is very easy to undo changes there if
I've made a mistake. For major rewrites, I start a discussion on the
popcon-devel mailing list, while I implement minor improvements right
away. I trust you to do the same, as I expect you to do your best and
in general improve the package.
Friendly,
--
Petter Reinholdtsen
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