Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8
On Fri, Jun 08, 2001 at 07:13:11PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On Jun 06, Radovan Garabik <garabik@melkor.dnp.fmph.uniba.sk> wrote:
>
> >but: JIS is japanese only, UCS-4 is global
> >UCS-4 can (and will) be easily expanded, there are no technical
> >problems in adding characters to this encoding
> Please explain, why the fuck can't you stop trying to force UTF-8 on
> communities who don't think it's ready for them?
when it is not ready, then we (exclusive we, english, unlike japanese, has
unfortunately no distinction between those two) should try to make it
ready.
And I am not trying to force anything - just trying to solve a mess
a bit. In case you have not noticed, this was a technical discussion.
> Again, please stop messing with local issues you don't know about.
And you please try to understand there are global issues _you_ don't
know about and don't care about but they are real problem for some
people.
To tell you something from my personal background:
I have a friend, whose native language is hungarian, living
in Japan. Since I am learning hungarian, I communicate a bit
with him via e-mail. Of course, the main language of our communication
(except my shabby attempts of hungarian) is Slovak.
Often, when discussing some gramatical features of Hungarian,
we use examples of other languages - most notably Russian, which
surprisingly shares some features with it. And sometimes, out of
sheer curiosity, I ask him how does some word look in hiragana or katakana
TELL ME HOW IN THE HELL I CAN WRITE A MAIL WITH WORDS FROM
HUNGARIAN, SLOVAK, RUSSIAN AN JAPANESE TOGETHER!!!!
Unicode was not panacea, but it solved most of the problems,
although setting it up was not painless.
(and I have more friends from more linguistical backgrounds,
but I think one example is enough)
and _you_ want to continue with status quo.
_I_ want to do something about it.
Granted, unicode might not be ready for Japanese.
But, should we wait until it is ready?
Or should we try to implement support for it, so that our
japanese friends can work on remaining issues?
They would (could) not, if they have no unicode environment.
And they have now several incompatible encodings (the same
situation as here with Slovak, so I _know_ something about
the issue). Do you not think something should be done about it?
The fact that _you_ communicate in ASCII with a bit of latin1,
and you have no problem with it since you do not communicate
with people outside your scope, and because even Gates did
not dare to make CP1252 too incompatible with iso latin1
(as he DID dare to do with CP1250 and iso latin2), does not mean,
that everybody has the same luck and does not feel the problem.
Sorry for the rant.
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