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Re: priority of x-window-manager

From: Branden Robinson <branden@ecn.purdue.edu>
Subject: Re: priority of x-window-manager
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 09:46:46 -0500

> On Fri, Mar 03, 2000 at 05:22:22PM +0900, Atsuhito Kohda wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > It might be too late but Mr. Sano kindly taught me the mechanism
> > of x-window-manager and suggested me to consult the mail
> Well, it's not too late for woody, but it is for potato.

Okay, I see.

I cite a bit in disorder.

> > PS. I do not subscribe debian-policy so please CC to debian-devel
> > also but not to myself because I do not want duplicated mails ;)
> If you want to make a policy proposal, please review the guidelines
> (install the debian-policy manual and consult it), and subscribe to
> debian-policy.

Of course I install the debian-policy manual from the begining but
might not be a good reader though ;)
I subscribed to debian-policy just now.

> > "if the window manager is internationalized then add 10 points"
> > 
> > I think that the default window manager of Debian should be 
> > internationalized so the above condition is reasonable.
> Also, I don't understand what this will buy us.  An app, such as a window
> manager, can be internationalized, but it might not be localized for the
> user's locale.
> IOW, it doesn't seem to me that a window manager is any more useful from a
> user's perspective if it is internationalized, if it doesn't have
> localization for this locale.
> Therefore, I am not sure that escalating the priority of i18n'ed window
> managers is really going to accomplish anything.

I18N of window manager is certainly useful from user's perspective.
It is dificult to explain concisely in English so let me explain
with concrete examples.

WindowMaker, which I use almost everytime, is internationalized
so we can see "Japanese menu" and "Japanese text on netscape title"
and so on.  But with afterstep, which is not internationalized, 
Japanese menu shows us messages something like messages from an alien
so, in the worst case, we can not find out the menu to quit/exit
window manager!

I am not sure but asclassic, a rather old version of afterstep,
is internationalized already but fvwm* are not internationalized yet
(but Debian JP provides japanization of them and try to merge now).

KDE (may be not a window manager) is not internationalized but 
gnome (enlightenment?) is perhaps internationalized.

Sorry but I do not know about locale.  But, at least, I18N is necessary
if locale would do something good, isn't it?

> Moreover, Debian doesn't have a default window manager, and may never.  The
> point of these priority values is to "reward" the ones that are better
> integrated into our system.

I understood your point.  It might be my wrong usage of English ;)
but I did not want to say "default window manager" in a strict sense.
I only wanted to say that higher priority has the higher possibility
to become a window manager of a user, especially for a user who does
not know how to use update-alternatives manually.

> But there may be some aspects of i18n that I am missing here.  Please take
> this opportunity to educate me on the subject.  My mind can be changed.  :)

I hope this will be of any help for your understanding of I18N
of Debian, universal operating system.

Thanks in advance,		2000.3.4

 Debian JP Developer - much more I18N of Debian
 Atsuhito Kohda <kohda@pm.tokushima-u.ac.jp>
 Department of Math., Tokushima Univ.

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