[Date Prev][Date Next] [Thread Prev][Thread Next] [Date Index] [Thread Index]

Re: Branden's contrib manifesto (was: Hey! Why does everybody love flaming so much? [was: `pure'])



HI,

        I am going to reply to this posting in parts.

>>"Branden" == Branden Robinson <branden@ecn.purdue.edu> writes:

 Branden> On Wed, May 05, 1999 at 02:27:07PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
 >> We have lost the opportunity to get a foothold in yet another
 >> area. I think it would be arrogant to assume that we have won the
 >> battle, and that we should start coercing people just like MS does. 

 Branden> While I have withdrawn my proposal, I cannot in good conscience let
 Branden> distorted characterisations like this proceed unchallenged.

 Branden> Our classification of some software as being in contrib
 Branden> versus main is not coercive in any way.

        Oh, really? We are just at the beginning of the ride on the
 band wagon of ``open source'' software. And the canonical definition
 of open source is synonymous with te DFSG. Telling an author,
 (especially one who has written his code under the GPL), and indeed
 be demoralizing, and threating to do so is indeed coercive. 

        Why are we putting his code out of Debian? Cause he did not
 also go and write up the server. "Sure, yuo wrote GPL'd code, which
 does not link with any non-free libs, but that ain't good enough. Now
 go back and write the server,, or your code is not free software". 


 Branden> It is only within the power of the license to perform
 Branden> "coercion" in any legal sense.  To "coerce" people outside
 Branden> the bounds of the software license would require illegal
 Branden> activity on Debian's part (e.g., extortion -- "if you put
 Branden> tik on this CD-ROM which also contains Debian's main, we'll
 Branden> shoot you dead.")


        I wish people would at least consult the dictionary before
 making seemingly authoritative statements like this.


>From WordNet (r) 1.6 [wn]:

  coerce
       v : to cause to do through pressure or necessity, by physical,
           moral or intellectual means :"She forced him to take a
           job in the city" [syn: {pressure}, {force}]
>From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) [web1913]:
     Usage: To compel denotes to urge on by force which cannot be
            resisted. The term aplies equally to physical and
            moral force; as, compelled by hunger; compelled
            adverse circumstances; compelled by parental
            affection. Coerce had at first only the negative sense
            of checking or restraining by force; as, to coerce a
            bad man by punishments or a prisoner with fetters. It
            has now gained a positive sense., viz., that of
            driving a person into the performance of some act
            which is required of him by another; as, to coerce a
            man to sign a contract; to coerce obedience. In this
            sense (which is now the prevailing one), coerce
            differs but little from compel, and yet there is a
            distinction between them. Coercion is usually
            acomplished by indirect means, as threats and
            intimidation, physical force being more rarely
            employed in coercing.

        manoj
-- 
 "No matter where you go, there you are..." Buckaroo Banzai
Manoj Srivastava   <srivasta@debian.org>  <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/>
Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05  CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E


Reply to: