Re: Debian Menus (Was: Re: [PROPOSED] moving the menu hierarchy into debian policy)
Quoting "Juergen A. Erhard" <jae@ilk.de>:
[snip first part]
>
> [SNIP Chris# response]
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> I'd propose (if I were a developer), to *not* put everything under the
> sun into the default menu.
>
> Instead, we should make it editable... such that, when the user first
> opens the menu, there are some (limited) defaults, like, one *std* app
> for each category (or maybe two)[1].
I disagree with this. For the common purpose, I just don't install thing
I don't need. Must entries in my menus are entries that I need. They're
just lost in the jungle of a too much generalize section like Tools or
Net.
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> There needs to be default entries/menus in the root menu
>
> + Help, with contents as Chris mentioned.
Agreed, that's one good section, at least.
>
> + Session or Exit or s.th. like this. I'm pretty annoyed with Exit
> (and Restart) being in WindowManagers, where every user will look
> for them (my old AfterStep .steprc had a root menu Exit).
I don't think this is control by the menu system in general. I think
it's a setup made by each WM maintainer for the menu system. e.g. E
get it's logout in the root menu. With a Default Apps menu, a Gnome
menu, *and in the Gnome menu*, the Debian menu.
>
> + Config This Menu... okay, maybe a Config menu, with entries for
> all relevant stuff. Including, of course, the general Debian menu
> editor.
Gnome has such an entry but not all WM follow this strategy. I agree
however that having a Debian menu editor will be a good thing. Take
in mind however that we can't make an editor for all aspect of menus
in all WM (especially for specific functions like exit or restart).
>
> I think this would make much more sense than the current `group by
> where it is in FTP'. We really should group by what it does, and be
> more intelligent about this.
Hum... isn't what the menu system currently allow? As far as I know,
the current division of the menus is slightly different from the one
of the package sections.
>
> Yes, I know there's no such thing as a Debian Menu Editor. But I
> think the menu system needs to support editing/customizing the menu
> hierarchy for this to be really useful.
>
> The menu that is displayed needs to be separate (on a per-user basis)
> >From the menu hierarchy in which packages install their entries/menus.
Completely agreed with you. Currently, you can get a per-user menu but
they're no easy way to add the Default menu in it (Or I don't know it).
In addition, the users menu are not update System-wide, update-menu should
be run by the user each time he want to update. I think this should be
an option.
>
> The menu editor would then show the hierarchy of installed
> apps/tools/etc, and the menu as currently configured, and the user
> could copy entries or whole menus between them...
For a good implementation of the menu system, I suggest you to take a
look at the KDE menu editor. I think also the gnome system have something
similar (I don't try it yet).
>
> Also, this would make adding locally installed packages easier.
For this, equivs is still the best.
>
> What do y'all think?
>
> Anyway,
>
> Bye, J
>
> [1]We should generalize mime-types and alternatives: both are
> priority-based. For the menu hierarchy, this means the top priority
> apps of each category (and the top categories) go into the default
> menu.
Please, don't mix them all. Program I used for viewing documents
[mime-types], aren't the same that I used currently [alternatives] and
I still want all of them in my menus. When I used one more often then
the other, either I add a special local menu entry, or add a Dock/panel/
launcher/shortcut entry on my desktop.
>
> - --
> Jürgen A. Erhard eMail: jae@ilk.de phone: (GERMANY) 0721 27326
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> Win32 has many known work arounds. For example, Linux.
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Thanks for your comments. :)
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