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Re: /usr/X11R6



Hi,
>>"Andreas" == Andreas Jellinghaus <aj@dungeon.inka.de> writes:

 >> This proposal also does not have an ewasy way of transitioning
 >> between releases of the X WIndow system (like, release 7, or version
 >> 12.

 Andreas> it will still be possible to install a new window system
 Andreas> into /usr/X11R7,

	Which seems to suggest that /usr/X*R* is a better place to
 leave things. Why should we move X11R6?

 Andreas> or even better handle that with the debian package
 Andreas> mechanism.  libx11r7(-doc,-dev) isn't a problem to handle.

	I want to have both R6 and R7 installed at the same time. I
 remember leaving X11 around for more than a year after I started
 dabbling with X11; so a replace/conflict is not a solution. 


 >> In the current method, one may have multple copies of the X
 >> window system on the machine simultaneously, keepin one the default,
 >> and allowing others to experiment with newer version at will. Also
 >> allows an easy roll back by changing 3 links. 

 Andreas> with debian you can keep all three as deb's on your hard
 Andreas> disk, and a single dpkg command will do the transition.

	Not good enough. All my users need not experiment with X12
 before things have stabilized; however, some of the staff need to
 experment. Replacing and redoing X installation across a whole
 workgroup is no fun. 

 Andreas> btw : there is only /etc/X11, not /etc/X11R6, so symlink
 Andreas> changeing will maybe not be enough...

	Good point. We should try and see about /etc/X/11/6 and
 /etc/X/12/1 and so on ;-)

 >> Other reasons I can think of are compatibility with other
 >> Linux/UNIX systems, and backwards compatibility (replacing
 >> directories with symlinks maybe awkward with dpkg).

 Andreas> i agree, as far as i know, dpkg does not allow one dir being
 Andreas> a symlink and a real directory at the same time. it also
 Andreas> doesn't allow two packages providing the same symlink.

 >> In conclusion, I think this is a stunningly bad idea.

 Andreas> i disagree. fsstnd/fhs made one big exception where it did
 Andreas> not clean up the filesystem. at that time they had reasons
 Andreas> not to move x11 arround. x11r5/r6 might be the most
 Andreas> important one. i'm not sure if this reason is still valid.
 Andreas> the longer x11r6 is it's own hierarchy, the longer you have
 Andreas> to live and maintain the drawbacks.  a cut is not easy to
 Andreas> do, but better sooner than later IMHO.

	Not until you show me an upgrade path to R7 and X12. The
 current method allows for co-existance of several releases of X
 (barring our own bad /etc/X11 directory). Until an upgrade path, with
 an eye to the future, is available, we should change nothing.

	I remember the problems I ran into transitioning out of X10.

	manoj

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