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PROPOSAL: A mechanism for updating Debian Policy documents



Hi,

	This is my formal proposal for the Debian policy
 documents. Though this is being sent to beoth the -devel and the
 -policy lists, discussions of this proposal really belong on the
 policy lists, so please send comments to debian-policy@lists.debian.org
 (You do not need to be subscribed).

	manoj


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        PROPOSAL: A mechanism for updating Debian Policy documents
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                   Manoj Srivastava<srivasta@debian.org>
                             $Revision: 1.5 $


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1. Introduction, and Administrivia
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     This is a proposal for creating a process through which the Debian
     Policy documents are to be maintained and updated, it sets forth the
     processes, and also calls for the creation of a team responsible for
     the task of updating policy, however, this team does not act as author
     or editor of Policy it self, that is the task of the Debian Policy
     mailing list. 

     A copy of this document should also be found at
     http://master.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/policy/


1.1. Deadline for tabling the discussion
----------------------------------------

     I decided to use the suggested "usual" period of two weeks for this
     proposal. Therefore, this proposal needs to be acted upon before
     August the 22nd, 1998. 


1.2. People Seconding the Proposal
----------------------------------

     Well, since Michael Alan Dorman and Richard Braakman have volunteered
     to serve on the policy maintainer team, I think they have no objection
     to being seconds.

     1.   Michael Alan Dorman <mdorman@debian.org>

     2.   Richard Braakman <dark@xs4all.nl>



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2. Archives and Personnel
-------------------------


2.1. The policy maintainers team
--------------------------------

     I propose we select/install a group of people who have access to the
     CVS repository for the Policy documents; however, this set of people
     behave more like maintainers rather than authors/editors. This group
     does not create policy, not does it exercise editorial control, Policy
     is decided "upstream". The group that decides on policy should be the
     group of developers on the Debian-policy mailing lists, which is how
     it was always done; so the group of policy maintainers have no real
     power over policy. Since they would have access to the CVS repository
     I guess it is desirable that the people so appointed be ``mature'',
     however that is determined. 

     I think that since the policy maintainers have no special powers,
     there is no need to restrict their participation in the discussion. We
     do need to have at least 4-5 people on the job, preferably closer to
     8, so that policy does not languish when any maintainer goes missing
     (we do need vacations, you know, once in a while), and since little
     creative power is vested in the maintainers, we do not need a central
     control. And the archives of the list can be used as a record of the
     action decided upon even if all maintainers are away at some time. 


2.2. The CVS Repository
-----------------------

     There should be a repository set up on `cvs.debian.org' for this, with
     the people on the policy maintainer team having write access to it. 

     The repository should contain all the packages under the control of
     the team, and also should have an area where the weekly status
     document is kept; once the document is under CVS, it should be a
     simple matter to script exporting the document out to a place where
     the web server can serve it, as well as create the weekly posting to
     `debian-policy' and `debian-devel' mailing lists. This document could
     also be kept under CVS then.


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3. Procedures and Processes
---------------------------


3.1. Proposing amendments to the Policy
---------------------------------------

     Unlike before, when the policy editor gathered in issues which, in his
     view, were candidates for inclusion in policy, I propose that issues
     are brought up in the policy group, and, if the initial discussion
     warrants it, any developer, with at least two(?) seconds can formally
     propose as a policy amendment. 

     The rationale behind the requirement for seconders is that it would

     1.   Encourage people to test the waters on the policy mailing list,
          and this could help create an proposal with a better chance of
          success

     2.   Prevent frivolous or ill conceived proposals from wasting peoples
          time (If the proposal does not even convince two developers,
          surely this is not ready for inclusion in Policy?)


3.1.1. Notifications and Status Reports
---------------------------------------

     Periodically, possibly weekly, a summary of current policy topics can
     be posted to the Developers mailing list, as well as to the policy
     mailing list. The list of topics should be posted on the web as well.

     If the current topic list is kept in CVS, then a simple script could
     handle both the tasks, and all the maintainers need do is keep the CVS
     repository up do date. If the Bug tracking system is used, this may be
     semi-automated too.

     Amendments to policy that have been accepted by the policy group shall
     also be part of the notification.


3.2. Deadlines for Tabling Discussions
--------------------------------------

     It has been observed in the past that discussions on the mailing list
     devolve into endless arguments. In order to get away from the debating
     society aspect, at the time of the formal proposal,a deadline can be
     set (probably by the proposer, since they are likely to have an idea
     how contentious the discussion is likely to be) for ending discussion
     on the issue, which should rarely be less than 10 days, and typically
     two weeks or so. I hope that a hard minimum period need not be set,
     and that the proposers would be reasonable, and not set too short or
     too long a time for discussion. 

     If a consensus is reached by the policy group, then the maintainers
     shall enter the amendment into the Policy document, announce the
     inclusion in the periodic report, and release a new version.

3.2.1. Extensions to Deadlines?
-------------------------------

     If a deadline is approaching, and the discussion s almost concluded
     (in other words, it has not reached an impasse), and the consensus on
     the policy group is that an extension of a week would resolve the
     issues better, a one-time extension could be granted. Care should be
     taken in exercising this option, since abusing this would merely
     postpone closures. 


3.3. Deadlock resolution
------------------------

     Formerly, arriving at a consensus was the only way to amend Policy.
     That worked well when the Project was small, however, we have
     apparently grown out of that phase, and even the policy mailing list
     has grown more fractious than in the days of yore. We now need a
     formal process of deadlock resolution, and we need to recognize that
     on non-technical issues a small minority should not always hold up
     deployment of policy.

     If a consensus is not reached, (or if someone submits a formal
     objection to the proposal) and the end of the discussion period is
     near, then one is faced with a dilemma. 

3.3.1. Impasse on Technical Issues
----------------------------------

     On technical issues, popularity is a bad way of arriving at
     conclusions. Hopefully, the policy group would arrive at a consensus
     on their own. If that fails to happen, or if there is a formal
     objection raised on the issue, and the issue is a technical one, then
     the technical committee may be consulted. This should be a rare
     occurrence. 

3.3.2. Non Technical and Subjective Disagreements
-------------------------------------------------

     However, if the issue is non-technical and subjective, then a vote of
     the developers may be taken (USENET voting software should be
     available all over the place, right?); and a super-majority of 75% is
     needed to carry the amendment through. Failing the super-majority, the
     issue should be shelved. It may be re-submitted as a a fresh proposal
     after a suitable cooling off period (which should be no less than a
     month, typically three months being desirable, unless there are
     significant new developments). (Demote bug, if the BTS is being used)


3.4. Using the Bug Tracking System
----------------------------------

     A fascinating sub proposal has been that we use the bug tracking
     system to track policy amendments in progress. If this is used, we may
     initiate discussions in the policy group by filing wish-list bugs
     (note: this should be open to anyone at all)

     Formal proposals should be treated as normal bugs, and after the
     discussion period are either closed (when incorporated in policy, or
     roundly rejected as undesirable), or are demoted to (forwarded?) wish
     list bugs. I like them being demoted to forwarded status, since the
     upstream authors (the policy mailing list) has already had a stab at
     them, and they have been shelved until further notice. 

     I think that the Policy is critical enough for the project that any
     real flaws in the policy be automatically be deemed important bugs,
     unless they affect release management.


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     PROPOSAL: A mechanism for updating Debian Policy documents
     Manoj Srivastava<srivasta@debian.org>                 $Revision: 1.5 $


	
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