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Re: On Bruce Perens and Dave Cinege, etc.



> Britton> What I like about the term limits idea is that they permit
> Britton> authority to be rotated around regularly with no hard
> Britton> feelings anywhere.  I would feel bad voting Bruce out of
> Britton> office after all the work he has done.  Term limits make
> Britton> change automatic, which is perhaps good.
> 
> 	Why is rotation of officers beneficial? I understand rotation

Good individuals will almost invariably harbor a few bad individual ideas,
for whatever reason.  This is especially true in the technical fields. 
The process appears to be sufficiently democratic that this doesn't 
matter, but rotation would ensure that it wouldn't. 

>  in crops and agriculture, but in my team at work, I'd make a horrible
>  document writer or a vms client design/code person. Why does
>  authority rotation make sense? espescially as authority is not an
>  disembodied entity passed around like a baton; it comes encumbered
>  with responsibility and needs time commitments.
> 
> >> This is not a yes or no on Ted Kennedy, but if he was doing that
> >> bad of a job wouldn't he have been out of office a long time ago?
> >> To buy
> 
> Britton> So I take it you are from Vladivodstock or some such place?
> 
> 	Huh?

Around here the bad senators don't get voted out any more often than the
good ones, probably less often.  We have had a corrupt crackhead as mayor
of our capitol city for years.  Debian is an international project, mayby
things are different other places.  I agree that things are different
within Debian itself.

> Britton> I don't mean it to be unpleasant or ungrateful to Bruce, just
> Britton> the opposite in fact.  I don't like to think of any Debian
> Britton> volunteer stepping down after being voted out, term limits
> Britton> seem to me like a better idea for this reason and others.
> 
> 	Oh, bruce is tough. He can take it. Waste no tears on him
>  (sorry, bruce). And I don't think that the job of the president is
>  for the sensitive types anyway. Herding cats is not for the
>  thinskinned. 

You are probably right.  He did eventually react unpleasantly to the
recent row (though it is unreasonable to blame him), together with many
others, in a way I think was bad for Debian.  Dave got his back up.  Mayby
he wouldn't have stayed anyway, but I think it was a shame to lose him. 
He made CDs, he presumably told his friends abou Debian, brought them CDs
the next day, etc. 

People who contribute as much time as Bruce are in relatively short
supply, and if being voted out might adversely affect his interest and
level of contribution, it would be a shame.  I think this reaction is a
possibility with anyone.

> 
> 	manoj


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Britton Kerin


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