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Re: Helen Koike: Declaration of intent


Thanks Mattia for bringing your concerns (once more :-). Not everyone
wants to publicly express their worries on particular nm processes,
maybe to not to sound rude or offensive to our dear new applicants, who
are obviously in a more 'vulnerable' position at the moment they express
their wishes to be publicly recognized as (potential) Debian members.

A few times I've also felt some discomfort with some applicantions, but
due to some dificulty on chosing my words (in a non-native language) I
decided just to let it go... I have noticed however that most of time
things are clarified by the mentors/advocats without further discussion,
nor objections. This mean that if the original applicant/mentors text
were more precise if could have avoided concerns and the consequent
tension that it brings on the applicants side. I don't know how to fix
it, apart to reinforce what's is already stated on the NM form:

 "...please tell something about yourself, how you came to Debian and Free
 Software, and why you want to volunteer your time. Please describe the
 contributions you have made to Debian, your primary areas of interest
 and any goals you wish to accomplish."

For instance, here is a recent statement that I think has room for

 "As a member of DebConf18 orga team, I has seem Taowa working in Front
 Desk.  Because of his hard work, people can get room key, dorm card, AC
 card without any problem. Also for local team, we can trust him to track
 all dorm card in wafer so that we don't lost any of them."

Although I personally think Taowa has a great potential to become a
valuable Debian member, I'd rather avoid an advocating text that only
points his work on a particular Debconf. This has a great potential to
create noise.

Regarding Helen's case, I've never worked directly with her, but I've
seen that she has a long term involvement in Debian. I can atest her
contributions on mentoring, helping with events, giving talks about
Debian and I'm happy to have had here in DC18 very good references about
her on the technical side as well.


On Thu, Aug 02, 2018 at 01:58:16PM +0200, Mattia Rizzolo wrote:
> [ CCing also Helen's other application as DM ]
> On Thu, Aug 02, 2018 at 08:01:52AM -0000, Helen Koike wrote:
> > I would like to apply to change my status in Debian to Debian Developer non uploader.
> > 
> > I've been working for secure boot with the efi team and also with the cloud team for official Debian images.
> > I believe as a DD I can get a wider access to the project and the ability to contribute even more.
> > 
> > I had applied to DM before but I am actually not maintaining any packages yet, as the work I've been doing is
> > mostly related to infrastructure/services/testing and not packaging, I need to become a DD to have access
> > to certain machines, mainly for the debian-cloud image build process. So I believe a DD non-uploadler would be
> > more appropriated then a DM.
> Have you considered asking for a guest account?
> If you only need access to _certain_ machines, that's quite the easy
> scapegoat.  Also, it could be granted pretty much instantly.
> I was also looking at your DM application indeed, but I consider that
> pattern "I believe as [more power level] I [could do something]" is a
> dangerous train of thought.  You shouldn't be asking for something
> because probably maybe at some point it might be handy; rather, you
> should be trying to do something and see that you are blocked to do that
> thing, or maybe have done so many things by going through somebody (i.e.
> sent a relevant ton of good patches) to gain trust.
> You say "mainly for the debian-cloud image build process".  I don't know
> how that's done.  If it's about code, I trust the code is public and you
> could replicate it, same I hope for the build logs of those build
> processes; so is there anything blocking you?  Note that I totally
> believe already that having access to all the relevant machines is more
> handy, but I'd like to understand what's the problem.
> Also in the context of allowing more external contributors: if
> something like that requires any contributors to be able to ssh to a
> .d.o machine, than that's something that ought to be fixed.
> Furthermore, looking at
> https://contributors.debian.org/contributor/koike-guest@alioth/ I can
> see only contributions to bugs.d.o,
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?correspondent=helen.fornazier@gmail.com&archive=both
> lists only 5 bugs.  Personally I consider somebody that interacted with
> only 5 bugs in the bts to not have enough knowledge of the bts to be
> neither DM nor DD (but that's could easily be just me!).
> -- 
> regards,
>                         Mattia Rizzolo
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