Re: Notes from the NM AM FD DAM BOF
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Enrico Zini wrote:
> Hello,
>
> these are the notes taken during the BOF. It was built using gobby and
> many people have been adding bits to it. It should give a pretty good
> idea of what has been said.
>
> Prepare a lightning talk "Bits from the AMs, FDs, DAMs, NMs"
> - we need more AMs
> - can be very rewarding, important help to project
> - there is no need to spend lots of hours per applicant
> - there is no need to use the templates (besides basic P&P things like
> "do you understand the DFSG and DMUP and agree with it?"
> - if one packages libraries, put bits of changelogs in the report rather than ask library questions
> - reject sooner rather than getting bogged down in months of questions
> - common sense is more effective that you'd imagine
> - Don't overdo the apologising
> - Say HOW to become an AM (on nm.d.o) -- done!
> - Give it a try, if you don't like it you can quit
> - don't advocate people until they are ready
> - (otherwise we... tickle you? ignore you?)
> eventually FD/DAM is going to ignore you, yes (if you do it too often)
>
> AM/NM tools
> - ddportfolio
> - aggregate list of changelog entries with the person's name sorted by descending time?
>
> - the templates: how do we use them? how do we change (delete, add, alter
> questions) them? What questions usually feel unsatisfactory? What questions
> feel most useful? Templates (or interviews) should be enhanced with
> questions re: DMUP I'd rather see these as up-front sign-off than additional overhead in the AM phase, but whatever...
> I don't think it makes much sense to start asking questions about DMUP.
> This is mostly so that we can point to "hey, you agreed to this" rather than
> anything else.
> + Would it be OK to put files in your home dir before ftp-masters approve it?
> + Would it be OK to send mails to general devel mailing lists from your @d.o address
> There are many points that _should_ be part. DMUP is a bit... nebulous? [not really an NM issue? {People should really understand what they commit to! and DMUP is often just accepted as a tramit} ] Not down to earth?Such documents usually come into existence largely to provide a fall-back position for legal and other reasons when someone behaves badly... a place like DMUP isn't necessar4ily the right place to communicate acceptable interaction behaviors and other related "issues of style"
>
> - don't need to ask too many details if it's obvious the NMs know what
> they are talking about
> -- How do we identify "obvious that the nm knows enough"?
> - Advocate shouldn't promote NM until Advocate feels NM is ready... ← DM actually helps towards this goal, as it gives an alternative path
> - what extra info do AMs usually provide to NMs? (For example, I do emeritus,
> upgrading-checklist, maintainer scripts on debian women wiki)
> - how to deal with NMs that would be ok but disappear for a long time without
> notice? (my current thought is to negotiate with them a reasonable
> committment and see if they can stick to it)
> - practices to regularly tidy up: ping/soft-reject people on hold for long
> - Work on / reposition the AM checklist/howto → http://www.debian.org/devel/join/nm-amhowto
>
> TODO for NM.debian.org website interface:
> - send mail on approval from FD / DAM
> - Allow multiple advocates per applicant
>
>
> Ciao,
>
> Enrico
>
thanks you for the conference and for this report
im so sorry to haven't the possibiliti to had watch your conference
but the no video room don't permit to see a streaming :(
see you,
Alice
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