Re: Suggestion: Time limit for NM process
On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 03:34:35PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> Le Mer 5 Avril 2006 15:23, Ingo Juergensmann a écrit :
> > You're pointing out something important: changes can only be made by
> > DDs. If no DD is feeling like something should be improved, whereas
> > NMs are upcoming with ideas, nothing will change. Not really
> > surprising, though. ;)
> well, that would be true if recent DD hadn't gone through the same NM
> recently, with the same problems.
I've seen new DDs that were complaing about the same problems while they
were NMs, but argued differently later when they became DDs.
So, the POV may change after becoming a DD... ;)
> Pointing out the frustration of the NM process just make it worse. It
> does not helps, and makes its reputation worse. NM wont disappear
> because it's vital to the project.
True. And it's even more frustrating when nearly everyone admits that the NM
process is too slow and should be improved - but nothing happens. And
everytime the complains about NM process get louder and louder. This is
definitely not good for the project, I think.
> So instead of argue what part of it is the worst, just do your proposal.
> For example, my proposal is threefold :
> * one third is writing a systematic scheduler, that is (mostly) a
> matter of php skills (as nm.d.o is in php), I can do that, and it's a
> rather small task IMHO.
:-)
> * another third is to provide to NM applicants a place to lists things
> they do for debian. wiki.debian.org could do that, or maybe some
> other dedicated wiki (to avoid pollution) could be set-up, that's not
> hard work, and to avoid falsification, we could require it to be
> gpg-signed, or any other method. Once again, mostly easy, I could
> even provide that on my people.d.o webspace.
Well, I would appreciate such a page when it would help to lighten the
workload of the AMs, so that NM processing will become faster.
The problem is that the stuff in the wiki still needs to get reviewed by the
AMs. The question is: does it need an AM to do so or would it be possible
for other DDs as well to whitness the previous Debian related work of the NM
as well? For example by making two or three DDs sigs equivalent to an AM
sig?
> * the last third needs more work (my IMAP/NNTP/... proposal), as it
> needs some complex stuff to be put together.
I had similar ideas for buildd logs (shared folder, etc). I wanted to store
mails in buildd related personal folders and move them out after a grace
period of time, so that other buildd admins can process them when a buildd
admin missed to answer to the buildd mails.
I think that's quite similar to your approach of sharing mails of NMs to all
AMs?
> so at least 2/3 of my proposal is straighforward to implement.
I still see a major problem for all proposals: the acceptance of the FD/DAMs.
It would be nice to know in advance if a changed procedure of NM handling
would be accepted by them. If not, it's academic to think about
improvements and a waste of time. :)
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