On Thu, Nov 10, 2005 at 04:36:47AM -0300, Blu Corater wrote: > I have considered many times to apply to become part of the proyect, but > nowdays I more often regret not having done it back then, mainly because > with the current states of things I find quite ridiculous to be evaluated > for more than three years to be accepted. I find this to be a ridiculous exaggeration. The average time from AM assignment to account creation is much *less* than three years among those applicants who have become Debian Developers over the past six months; and the time spent on NM varies with the preparedness of the candidate. It also varies according to when the applicant entered the queue, as applicants are completing the process faster now than they were last year before the DAM backlog was cleared. The average, though, seems to be something less than 1 year. The current bottleneck in the NM process is that the rate at which new applicants apply exceeds the rate at which our existing application managers can accept applicants. Unless you're arguing that Debian should not attempt to assess incoming applicants *at all*, I don't see how you can claim that this is caused by people trying to make Debian too elitist. We need more application managers in order to eliminate this bottleneck (which, btw, is probably only noticeable as a bottleneck now because of other improvements on the DAM side...). Criticizing people on this list isn't going to help that problem; the developers who subscribe to -newmaint are already doing what they can to get applicants integrated into the project. (In my case, that's damn little -- I'm afraid other work in the project has taken me away from being a real AM, but my hat is off to those who do make time to be AMs.) In Richard's mail, he wrote that the fact that people complain about the NM queue periodically is proof that there is a critical problem that needs resolving. This is a valid interpretation of the facts, but I don't believe it's a correct one. An equally valid interpretation is: once people start complaining, they don't know what to stop. Because of past problems with the queue, we find ourself entertaining complaints that it takes three years to become a DD when that simply isn't true. > and, not that I want to, but it would be easier for me to enter the secret > service of my country than to enter Debian. I'm trying really hard to understand that as a criticism, and it's just not working... I just can't bring myself to think that military and intelligence organizations have appropriate standards that can be fairly compared to Debian. :) -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. vorlon@debian.org http://www.debian.org/
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