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Re: Bug#916333: ITP: dav1d -- fast and small AV1 video stream decoder



Vasyl,

I was "against" libudfread, because, as I told you last time on the ticket, this was not a library that you are supposed to use, just import as a submodule, and therefore ship the code with your app/library.

However, since you showed me that Kodi uses directly, I have no objections, of course.
The packaging might be a bit rough, of course, so we'll need to fix that.

As for dav1d, I'm very annoyed of this library not being shipped on Debian. Especially since you probably ship it already in Chromium and Firefox...

Best,

On Thu, Jul 2, 2020, at 11:20, Vasyl Gello wrote:
Hi Jean-Baptiste!

First of all, thanks for tagging libudfread and letting me package the newest version!

As discussed previously, you asked me if I can help pushing dav1d into Debian.
I raised the discussion in the dav1d bug (see quoted thread) and in turn Sebastian mentioned
that you were initially against shipping libudfread.

Now after you tagged libudfread as part of upcoming Kodi 19.0 dependency, can you please
confirm that you are fine with shipping both libs?

Please use "Reply to All" because this is a part of public discussion.

Thanks!
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July 2, 2020 9:06:59 AM UTC, Vasyl Gello <vasek.gello@gmail.com> написав(-ла):
Sebastian,
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July 2, 2020 9:02:22 AM UTC, Sebastian Ramacher <sramacher@debian.org> написав(-ла):
(Dropping the ITP bug since this dicussion is unreleated.)

On 2020-07-02 08:49:08 +0000, Vasyl Gello wrote:
Hi Sebastian!

At the moment, kodi 18.7.1 is not blocked. Also, if there is no package the dav1d support is disabled in 19 either.
However, I referred to the whole situation: the maintainers come to bring new packages and improve the existing ones,
not waiting months & years without a feedback.

I don't think that the rather unique situtation of dav1d with the patent
issues applies to other packages in NEW. While processing is slow at
times, stuff will be processed eventually.

FYI, kodi 19 benefits much from enabling dav1d on streams like Netflix, so I build Kodi for my testing repo with dav1d packaged.
Same applies to shairplay & libudfread (I ITP'ed and packaged these under Mattia's mentorship and even persuaded the upstream
lead developer Jean-Baptiste Kempf to make a new tag for libudfread after three years since the packaged tag was released)

Jean-Baptiste expressed big wish to have dav1d and libudfread in Debian during our conversation related to udfread tagging,
so I feel obliged to do everything I can to make it happen.

Do you have a pointer to this conversation on libudfread as separate
package in Debian? The first time I looked at libudfread, upstream
(which includes JB) was against packaging libudfread as it was
considered an implementation detail of libbluray.

It was in our private conversation, so let me ask JB to send a message to the related ITP bug
about packaging libudfread. From my side, I can tell that he was against tagging libudfread
referring to it as a submodule but agreed with my request after I showed him Kodi pull-request
introducing usage libudfread instead of libudf from cdio.


Cheers

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July 2, 2020 8:41:38 AM UTC, Sebastian Ramacher <sramacher@debian.org> написав(-ла):
Hi Vasyl

On 2020-07-02 08:20:11 +0000, Vasyl Gello wrote:
Hi Jonas!

I also can volunteer uploading 0.7.1 as part of my kodi work.

How is dav1d blocking kodi work? Once dav1d is in the archive in ffmpeg
is uploaded with dav1d support enabled, won't kodi also automatically
have dav1d support? If they kodi is using it directly, is there no
option to disable it until it is available?

Cheers

Also, is it a good idea to reach Joerg Jaspert directly and kindly ask for review?

Why am I asking this: I have two pending packages (libudfread & shairplay).
At the same time, I am preparing full Kodi binary addon archive (84 source packages).

I am carefully investigating copyrights and perform builds and tests in the publuc unofficial repo
(see relevant d-multimedia discussiob). However, I don't want to wait YEARS after Kodi reaches
release. Instead, I am using my sparevtime to keep packaging ready as development of Kodi upstream
progresses.

With such enormous waiting times and no understandingbof how to solve it gracefully, the whole project
might become a waste of time and I obviously try avoiding it.
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July 2, 2020 8:11:03 AM UTC, Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> написав(-ла):
Quoting Dylan Aïssi (2020-07-02 09:29:51)
On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 03:38:20 +0000 Vasyl Gello <vasek.gello@gmail.com> wrote:
There is a new upstream release 0.7.1 for a week or so.
Can you please package it?

dav1d is in the NEW queue since 1,5 years. It was rejected after 1
year in the NEW queue and I still don't have news about the last
attempt. I am losing motivation for this package, I will probably
convert this ITP to RFP...

I guess the rejection is what you quoted in

Thanks, btw, for quoting like that to make conversations with ftpmasters
more transparent. Much appreciated!

Did you try re-upload since the rejection? If not, why not?

If that was the only reason given by ftpmasters for rejecting, then I
would suggest to simply a) make sure that the licensing/patenting
situation as you understand it is explicitly laid out in
debian/copyright file, and then b) re-release the package.

When re-uploaded, I can suggest to try nudge ftpmasters by logging into
irc channel #debian-ftp and kindly request a review of the package.

If you haven't given up yet, then would you be interesting in
maintaining the package collaboratively? I can offer to help if you
would be interested in doing so e.g. in the Multimedia team.

If you have given up already, then I can offer to take over.

Kind regards,

- Jonas

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