Re: Tutorials? Portal? Shiny web presence?
Hello again,
I kept thinking about how to consistently present the blends without
encumbering particularly active ones, like Debian Med, in its
creativity. And we shall not invest too much into an active maintenance
of those, either. It hence needs to be automated and should somehow now
break too much of the design that the www.debian.org pages established -
us liking it or not since too many already think that the Debian Med
packages would somehow be separate from Debian and its derivative
distributions.
On the page as of today I see (with my inner eyes only):
* a _very_short description of who we are and what we do
* latest uploaded packages that is team maintained
* news - here I thought we could find a way to show the last entry on
the mailing list that has a [news] tag in the subject line
* how to meet - maybe we find a way to similarly have [meeting] tags on
our mailing list
* pointer to the tasks pages
* pointer to the alioth project
* pointer to tutorials - here I thought we should check for the
existence of a wiki.debian.org/<blendsname>/tutorials page and show the
link or not
* pointer to friends - analogously, large influential projects or
institutions using/supporting Debian should be listed
* support - here I thought we should check for the existence of a
wiki.debian.org/<blendsname>/support page and show the link or not
* I liked how Debian Astro designed their landing page: Screenshots. I
hence propose to ask popcon.debian.org for the 5 most used tools that
have screenshots and show them. I am not ultimately convinced that a
command line application needs a screenshot of the console, though,
maybe a nice logo should then be used, instead.
The idea of a "support" page I presume to spawn some debate. However,
not everyone wants to discuss their local issues on the mailing list and
is prepared to pay. We should prepare for that, which IMHO will also
help our distribution - and yield more pizze on our Sprints.
Something that Debian web pages are particularly excited about is the
localisation to many languages - many more than any commercial
institution could possibly offer. For bioinformaticians in Debian Med
this is mostly a non-issue. But for Debian Edu it would be very
important. The descriptions of our packages are typically translated.
For the skeleton let us see what we can do.
I'll have to dig into many unknown areas of Debian for this and have no
exact idea about how soon I can come up with anything. Feel free
nag^H^H^Hpinging me about it.
Best,
Steffen
On 19/09/2016 14:19, Steffen Möller wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I was at the ECCB earlier this month and in particular over the
> tutorials I had asked about the idea to synchronize their tutorial
> efforts with our packaging. I was a bit surprised, but all tutorials
> indeed requested to install a considerable amount of software, one was
> even a Ubuntu-derived VM with several GB in size. I only asked three,
> but they would all happily see their work linked from our pages and also
> come up with a variant of their tutorial that explains how to install
> our packages. This is nice, I thought.
>
> The problem, which may not really be a problem but we better have some
> sort of consensus over how to do it, is that I do know know about what
> page should be the one linking out to those introductory (or often less
> introductory) approaches to computational biology. The page we had is
> lost over the unification of the management of all blends. When googling
> for "debian med", I am pointed to
>
> https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-med/ - which is even localised but
> in my mind completely pointless and few people can update it. I think
> this page should be removed or auto-forward to https://blends.debian.org/med
>
> https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMed - which is the page that could be but
> is not.
>
> https://www.*debian*.org/devel/*debian*-*med*/index.de.html is the same
> as https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-med/
>
> https://blends.debian.org/med/tasks/practice - nice, everyone
> understands it, just nothing for computational biology
>
> https://blends.debian.org/med/tasks/ - not suggested by google but kind
> of intuitive to check after being pointed to the prior. This may be
> about the best page we have.
>
> https://blends.debian.org/med/ - not suggested by google but kind of a
> nice URL that people will try who found the former. I understand it is
> auto-generated. https://blends.debian.org/astro/ is nicer
>
> https://www.debian.org/blends/ - nice page IMHO
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian-Med - funnily enough, the Wiki page
> seems better than most of what we had produced.
>
>
> We all do not seem to care too much about any such web presentation of
> Debian Med, otherwise it would be better. Given that we do not want to
> invest too much time, I very much favour a decent automation, much like
> a blends-version of the package tracker. We kind of had that once.
> Almost, just it was specific for Debian Med. Would it not sound like a
> good GSoC project to come up with a cross-blends web site generator? Or
> maybe we can generate something that would serve as input for another
> generator like http://gohugo.io (I am a bit of a fan, btw, and I should
> point out that it is already packaged
> https://packages.qa.debian.org/h/hugo.html).
>
> So, I like the idea to have a home page for Debian Med that would
> function as a portal to our scientific community. And I would also like
> if that portal would be technically shared with other blends, so we
> avoid reinventing/reimplementing wheels, here.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Steffen
>
>
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