Re: News: 2018-06-01-Debian-7-Long-Term-Support-reaching-end-of-life
Hi
About https://deb.freexian.com/extended-lts header: "Debian Extended
LTS by Freexian".
The explanation that follows is perfect, but the header could be
misunderstood, imho. How about "Extended LTS for Debian (7) by
Freexian"? Debian... by Freexian could be understood like Debian is a
trademark of Freexian. ;)
The ELTS project is really a new thing in the Debian world and the
information about its existance can be important to some Debian users.
I don't know the rules for announcement mails. Maybe the project can be
mentioned in the mail as "it is not by the Debian LTS team, but some
people are involved in both". Other companies should have the same
right to be mentioned in an announcement then.
Maybe it can be mentioned in the Debian wiki on the page where
freelancers are mentioned and in the announcement there can be a link
to the wiki page.
Jens
Am Thu, 31 May 2018 15:33:02 +0200
schrieb Joost van Baal-Ilić <joostvb@debian.org>:
> Hi Markus,
>
> On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 01:18:29PM +0200, Markus Koschany wrote:
> >
> > [adding Raphael / Freexian to CC]
> [dropping events@d.o, adding debian-lts]
>
> > Am 31.05.2018 um 08:08 schrieb Joost van Baal-Ilić:
> > >
> > > [non-public reply, feel free to quote me publicly though]
> > >
> > > On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 04:18:06PM +0200, Markus Koschany wrote to
> > > debian-publicity@lists.debian.org,
> > > debian-l10n-english@lists.debian.org,
> > > debian-i18n@lists.debian.org :
> > >>
> > >> the LTS team would like to announce the end of Wheezy LTS.
> > >> Unfortunately I have no rights to push to the announcements
> > >> repository on salsa.debian.org but you can find my draft at
> > >>
> > >> https://people.debian.org/~apo/2018-06-01-Debian-7-Long-Term-Support-reaching-end-of-life.wml
> > >>
> > >
> > > Thanks for your contribution. Imho it would be even better if
> > > freexian.com would not be mentioned in the announcement: afaik
> > > there's no formal endorsement of Debian for Freexian. (I'd like
> > > to add freexian does great work, btw!)
> > >
> > > Something like
> > >
> > > "A subset of Wheezy packages might be supported by some external
> > > parties. Refer to https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/ for more
> > > information."
> > >
> > > would be better.
> >
> > This also came up on debian-lts [1]. Perhaps we should better
> > communicate that Extended LTS will benefit all Debian users? At any
> > rate it is certain that ELTS will happen now. I think we would
> > rather prefer a straight forward sentence like the current
> >
> > A subset of Wheezy packages will be supported by Freexian though.
> > Detailed information can be found at <a
> > href="https://deb.freexian.com/extended-lts";>Extended LTS</a>.
>
> Now that I've read that webpage stuff is more clear to me.
>
> > I could change the first sentence to "A subset of Wheezy packages
> > will be supported by external parties though. They will be made
> > available for all Debian users."
> >
> > IMO if we change the other sentence to "Refer to
> > https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/ for more information." we just create
> > one more diversion but the fact remains the same, ELTS is managed by
> > Freexian. I don't have a strong opinion though. I could live with
> > either way.
>
> > [1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-lts/2018/05/msg00074.html
>
> I don't think we ever before suggested our users to use services
> supplied by external companies in our general public announcements.
> I am not yet sure what's the wisest thing to do here. Referring to
> the wiki feels more safe. Maybe anybody else has some insights to
> share? Time is running out and I can't invest much more time in this
> now... :(
>
> Thanks for your reply, Bye,
>
> Joost
>
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