Hello, and I learn to pack software written in Java. This is slowly making progress. As j-lawyer is written in Java, it is a prerequisite to be able to package j-lawyer, I'm glad if some more people step in to help packaging it. I put together some inforamtions about free software which can use in alawyer office. These packages are mostly packaged in Debian. https://wiki.debian.org/OfficeApplication Kind regards Mechtilde Am 08.10.19 um 00:11 schrieb Jens Kutschke, j-lawyer.org: > Good compilation of software, thanks. > > I can throw j-lawyer.org (an open source case management licensed under > AGPLv3) into the ring as an addition. I had spoken to Andreas earlier > this year, and have made some progress in the meantime with regards to > packaging (.deb available now, in addition to a more generic .sh installer). > > Cheers, > Jens > > Am 07.10.19 um 23:53 schrieb debian-lex@guck.biz: >> >> hi all, >> >> I just found this email by a funny coincidence. I diedent use this >> mail adress for years. >> I had to smile a little, because years ago I also had the idea to >> "look in" at Debian and offer me as head. >> I always like to do this because then it's impossible to get another >> head-of and the hirarchies stay flat so that the fun can stay too hahaha >> Well, fun aside. >> I want to narrow down the most wanted Deban-LEX project a bit. >> If one wanted to make a debian blend out of this, then differs from >> the previous blends probably in that in the area of Legaltech >> hardly an internatinalization takes place. >> As development cycles are quite slow for both Debian and lawyers, I >> would say let's look at how the legal system works >> in Europe, the US and the rest of the world maybe in 20 years. >> With the DSGVO / GDPR we have the first comprehensive directive in the >> EU, the first EU law of some relevance. >> In fact, one could think that the decisions of the ECJ will create a >> common law and eleminate most national differences >> As far as the legal approach is concerned in this area, they are not >> that big that you can at least try. >> But I suspect that this national harmonization will not go so far as >> to have unified networks or interfaces for Lawyers in 20 years, and >> presumably there will not even be standardized interface descriptions >> / data descriptions until then. >> I think (Tele)Fax is loosing attention but is still important in >> german legal system. Its often the only possibility to send >> messages to state authorities in time by Fax, as E-Mail usually is >> not admitted and the only other way is to use an 24h physical mailbox >> outside the building which is difficult when you are somewhere else. >> There is litterally no living communety wich sees any future in this >> technique so projects like hylafax die out. I think I tried there >> one provided version several times wich could not run because of a >> bug and no one there who told anyone about this. >> >> >> Any Fax Web application is unsecure, because you have to transport the >> PDF data over internet, most often ony protected by SSL and the PDF >> file will shortly be saved at the receiving server and >> on the drive there. This is so bad, that most providers who offer >> software-fax-printer dont even think about these files and that they >> fall within the scope of GDPR/DSGVO. They argue that they are >> communiaction providers and not content providers but this is untrue >> when it comes to logfiles and these fax-files and also personal base >> data. So this is gap of compliance and data securety by design and by >> default as these comprehensive data seems not to exist for any known >> by me provider. >> >> For legal data standards, there are in Germany a few approaches that >> are well-intentioned, but let's face it, these are useless in practice >> because they are either only one-sided >> authority and/or only cover a small subarea and have already been made >> from the point of view only to achieve a medium-term goal. >> They limit new developments so that they could only be implimented as >> a kind of "view", but nothing shoudl be build based on it. >> Then there are huge differences in the national legal systems even as >> far as the self-understanding of legal work is concerned. While in the >> Anglo-American area >> the caselaw is used (find a decision that was "the same" like here) >> exactly this approach here in Germany actually spoiled and if it is >> implemented by judges, that's always >> a sign that individual rights are probably cut, because again was not >> looked closely and should be made equal so that it goes fast for the >> court but shouldnt. Here >> In Germany, instead of case-law, there is the legal methodology. >> These differences, which are huge in the application of law, will not >> be so strong for a Debian blend at a first look, because that's what it is >> as a personel work the lawyer remains while using a system. But it >> goes deeper at secound look. >> >> What will remain different are connections to official communication >> systems, (case and other law related) databases and I am not sure if a >> data management system >> for lawyers internationally could be developed in a way that it still >> makes sense beacause it should be good peace of software too and might >> get senseless overheads. >> Michael Stehmann from Canzeley has already implemented nationally >> different formatting of address data, but this is only a small part of >> what then >> exists as national differences. I also did so, as every Lawyer >> sometimes wants to contact foreign attorneys or authorites. >> Then there is the question as to which techniques are provided in the >> Debian blend. >> I am currently working with a Linux MINT LMDE 3, which is also based >> on Debian. I had an approach with a Debian 9 before, which I build myself >> from a headless system and then everything that is potentially >> security relevant was gone. Unfortunately Java is needed anyway by the >> German beA system, >> I wrote letters at time years ago to prevent this but never got an >> answer and feel some cind of alone and frustrated as the startup of it >> really messed and got worse then I expected when I wrote my letters. >> Today, after I only work with LUKS encrypted virtual machines based on >> debian, I would not put any more data directly on a host system >> beacause of practical needs. I dont use network / server with this >> mashine. >> >> This could fit common needs of a blend, as it should not make any >> difference where it is installed. >> >> It's very handy if you have an installation with 15-40GB on it all and >> you can just copy over Thunderbold 3 with 1GB / second the wohle >> virtual disk >> or you work directly on an external NVMe SSD with few of these systems >> on it. >> >> I have included email with Thunderbird, where I am currently migrating >> e-mail into my law firm system so that they can be automatically >> assigned and appear in the mandates. >> In addition, I am not so good with the Thunderbird spam filter and >> because I work with catch all e-mails that I use only 1x is that just >> easier to implement with my own code / spam filters / receive system. >> >> I have the following programs installed (sometimes as an approach for >> discussion) >> - efax-gtk (is hardly used) I failed because I set up a hylafax and >> then run on Voip at O2, so ring through yes, fax no and that with both >> standard transmission standards >> - Linphone (theoretically goes over Voip phone but I do not use it >> anymore) >> - Signal / Chromium (I do not trust but more than WhatsApp, allegedly, >> the operator does not give data to the US government or does not store >> them, it would be better if they can not safe any data by architecture >> because they include their own key locally) >> - Firefox with some shortcuts to pages I usw as Lawyer >> - Thunderbird with Enigmail (Enigmail PGP I use isolated, in the past >> there were sometimes problems with updates where then nothing worked) >> - WebHHTPTrack to locally save websites as evidence >> - beA Securety Client with its own Java library (German "lawyer's mail") >> - Jameica / Hibiscus (online banking, unfortunately PINs can not be >> stored in the software, so it is not practical for many accounts) >> - Open office writer >> - gscan2pdf (very functional and practical scan software which >> supports different pdf libs but rarely causes problems, especially if >> scanners are not detected wich works on xsane) >> - of course my own unpublished law firm software, which does all the >> rest and is a big project for itself >> >> I have set it up so that the browsers have a non-existent local proxy >> set up and only the websites I have specified in a whitelist are >> enabled, and plugins are installed, >> which prevent the loading of scripts, flash, etc. these could be >> eventually be eleminated or turnd off as they are a risk for themselfes >> >> Hardware: >> Rainer SCT chip card reader >> >> Propreritary software >> brother printer driver / scanner driver / fax driver >> >> For backups I use rsync some bash code and cron >> >> Within the framework of GDPR / DSGVO, all accesses to the system >> should be logged, especially if several users have access, ideally >> data should also be deleted from the backups at the time of deletion, >> etc. etc. etc.... >> >> So building a Debian Flavor would mean: >> make it compliant for use in pracis, things never anyone thought about! >> >> >> In addition I use an E-Mail Server for receiving with postfix and >> dovecot. This is not part of my working system as it stays at one >> place while the working system gets copied and goes where I go. >> For some cases I use an proxy server as well, so I have different >> network settings. >> >> >> >> Best regards >> Michael Guck >> >> >> >> >> >> Andreas Tille schrieb am 23.07.2019 18:50 (GMT +02:00): >> >> Hi, >> >> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 12:41:03PM -0300, vina@adv.oabsp.org.br wrote: >> > Good morning Andreas, since the debianlex project was abandoned, i have the >> > intention to assume it, >> >> What is your actual plan to resume it? >> >> > trying in the meantime to get together a team of lawyers that are specialists >> > in digital law to aid me, so, it is possible to make me the head of that >> > project? >> >> In Debian you usually become the head of a group by just doing something >> in the first place and other agree that it is sensible. You do not >> become head by asking into the void whether you can be the head. Just >> do something, stir some discussion on the debian-lex mailing list, >> package something that is relevant for lawyers or something like this. >> If I were you I would start with an introduction on the debian-lex >> mailing list. >> >> > the contacts in debianlex page are offline since last updates, they dont >> > asnwer. >> >> This is what I expected. >> >> Kind regards >> >> Andreas. >> >> PS: Since several people in the past approached me by private mail I'd >> like to tell in advance that there is no point in private conversation. >> Please always stick to open discussion on the mailing list - I have no >> private hints to share. >> >> -- >> http://fam-tille.de >> > > Viele Grüsse, > Jens Kutschke > (j-lawyer.org) > -- Mechtilde Stehmann ## Apache OpenOffice ## Freie Office Suite für Linux, MacOSX, Windows ## Debian Developer ## PGP encryption welcome ## F0E3 7F3D C87A 4998 2899 39E7 F287 7BBA 141A AD7F
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