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Re: PHP licence SFLC questions draft v3

W dniu 04.08.2014 o 14:28, Ian Jackson pisze:
      > Draft question for SFLC:
      > Some members of the Debian project have some concerns about the PHP
      > licence. These worries are dismissed by other members and by relevant
      > upstreams. We would like some advice.

    In Neovim there was / is a similar issue and they are relicensing.

    Neovim project was forked some time ago from Vim and is very actively
    developed (will probably replace Vim in most distros). 

    Like with the PHP plugins, it was spotted that the use of name "Vim" in the
    license could cause problems:

    "The Neovim readme says "Vim is distributed under..." but never says
    anything about Neovim. Same for the included vim-license file."

    As a result the whole thing is relicensed to Apache 2.0 and all contributors
    have to sign a CLA.
    See more in:
    http://neovim.org/news/2014/july/ - under the heading "Clarification of
    Neovim’s License"

    The full Vim License text is quoted below and can be found here:

    Additionally, I do not know if it was discussed before, but the PHP license
    may make the software unforkable as the derivate would have to
    carry the false notice:
    "This product includes PHP software, freely available from
      Mateusz Jończyk

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Kibaale Children's Centre		*kcc* *Kibaale*  *charity*

Kibaale Children's Centre (KCC) is located in Kibaale, a small town in the
south of Uganda, near Tanzania, in East Africa.  The area is known as Rakai
District.  The population is mostly farmers.  Although people are poor, there
is enough food.  But this district is suffering from AIDS more than any other
part of the world.  Some say that it started there.  Estimations are that 10
to 30% of the Ugandans are infected with HIV.  Because parents die, there are
many orphans.  In this district about 60,000 children have lost one or both
parents, out of a population of 350,000.  And this is still continuing.

The children need a lot of help.  The KCC is working hard to provide the needy
with food, medical care and education.  Food and medical care to keep them
healthy now, and education so that they can take care of themselves in the
future.  KCC works on a Christian base, but help is given to children of any

The key to solving the problems in this area is education.  This has been
neglected in the past years with president Idi Amin and the following civil
wars.  Now that the government is stable again, the children and parents have
to learn how to take care of themselves and how to avoid infections.  There is
also help for people who are ill and hungry, but the primary goal is to
prevent people from getting ill and to teach them how to grow healthy food.

      [there follows some more info on Uganda and how to donate]

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