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Re: Comments on the latest public CC draft



* Francesco Poli:

> Clause 4(a) states, in part:
>
> |       If You create a Collective Work, upon notice from any Licensor
> |       You must, to the extent practicable, remove from the Collective
> |       Work any credit as required by clause 4(c), as requested. If
> |       You create a Derivative Work, upon notice from any Licensor You
> |       must, to the extent practicable, remove from the Derivative
> |       Work any credit as required by clause 4(c), as requested.
>
> This is unchanged with respect to the previous drafts: I'm not yet
> convinced that this clause meets the DFSG.

Isn't it a no-op in most jurisdictions, just repeating rights authors
have got anyway?

And I hope we would honor such requests in the indicated way,
independently of what the legal requirements are.

> It's worth noting that CC licenses have a mandatory version-upgrade
> mechanism and also a mandatory jurisdiction-change mechanism.
> Now a mandatory relicensing-to-other-yet-unspecified-licenses mechanism
> has been added, thus making the situation even worse, as I explained
> above.
>
> When I say "mandatory", I mean mandatory for the licensor, in the sense
> that a licensor cannot choose to *not* grant this option to licensees.

You can always add a statement to the contrary.  And Debian doesn't
care about the perils of software authors (look at the discussion of
choice of venue/choice of law).

> Clause 4(c) states, in part:
>
> |       in the case of a Derivative Work or Collective Work, at a
> |       minimum such credit will appear, if a credit for all
> |       contributing authors of the Derivative Work or Collective
> |       Work appears, then as part of these credits and in a manner
> |       at least as prominent as the credits for the other
> |       contributing authors.
>
> This is unchanged with respect to the previous drafts: credit must
> be "at least as prominent as the credits for the other contributing
> authors".  Even if the licensor's contribution is not comparable to
> others.  I still think that this restriction is excessive and fails
> to meet the DFSG.

I disagree.  This is only a problem if you think credits are
ego-boosters.

> In summary, suppose a novel is written by three co-authors who
> respectively write, say, 21 chapters, 25 chapters, and N chapters, where
> N is enough to grant the third co-author the author status, but still
> non-negligibly smaller than 21 (maybe N is 1, or 2, or something like
> that...).  In this scenario the third co-author must be credited as
> prominently as the other two, which does not seem to be reasonable.

And why should we care about the author's hurt feelings?



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