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RE: Fwd: reiser4 non-free?




Hans Reiser wrote
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> Dawson, Larry wrote:
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> >Hans Reiser wrote
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> >  
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> >>Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote:
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> >>    
> >>
> >>>MJ Ray <mjr@dsl.pipex.com> writes:
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>>>>You seem to understand the difference between credit and
> >>>>>advertisement as advertisements are credits for those 
> you dislike.
> >>>>>     
> >>>>>
> >>>>>          
> >>>>>
> >>>>You seem to understand the difference between modification and
> >>>>plagiarism as plagiarism is a modification that you dislike 
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>because it
> >>    
> >>
> >>>>doesn't praise you enough.
> >>>>   
> >>>>
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>>To be fair, these credits really do seem to be for others.  Some of
> >>>them are credits *and* ads, and at least one is an ad for work for
> >>>Hans Reiser and Namesys, but they are credits as well, and most of
> >>>them for other people.
> >>>
> >>>-Brian
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>I could be talked into eliminating the one for me, though I 
> >>have always 
> >>found it a bit of a pain that people
> >>are a bit eager to think that I am some sort of businessman 
> who hired 
> >>russians because he wasn't abstractly inclined himself.  
> They seem to 
> >>think I am some sort of businessman fool enough to invest into free 
> >>software, rather than a guy who wanted to build something and 
> >>couldn't 
> >>get anyone to fund it so he paid for reiserfs to come into 
> >>existence by 
> >>working a day job for 5.5 years.  They often don't realize 
> that I am 
> >>responsible for basic architectural features, like the idea of 
> >>aggregating small files together rather than always page 
> >>aligning them, 
> >>or that the most controversial deep design changes of V4 
> >>versus V3 were 
> >>mine. 
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >Personally, when I read the info on Namesys.com I assumed Hans
> >had designed pretty much all of Reiser 4.
> >
> Most people don't read Namesys.com, they only know about the 
> name of the 
> filesystem, and the credits are very much needed in mkreiser4 
> to inform 
> them.  In those credits, I am just one of the randomly chosen 
> developers/sponsors.
> 
> Probably I should put the developer credits somewhere on the namesys 
> main page rather than just under the developers button.  Thanks for 
> pointing that out.
> 
> > It was only later when I read (I can't remember precisely 
> where) a page where Hans credited members of his team that I 
> knew that others had contributed a lot. I will continue to 
> credit Hans with a massive contribution to filesystem theory 
> and practise. Credit for their work should be given freely :-)
> >Looking at a couple of lines of information about 
> contributers each time I use ReiserFS progs is just not a 
> problem for me - but it also seems plain to me that 
> restricting changes to the source means that they cannot be 
> put in debian. The license restriction is not compatible with the GPL.
> >Since the actual Reiser4 filesystem is fully free and GPL 
> licensed, can debian include it without the Reiser programs? 
> If some one wants to write GPL compatible reiserfs progs 
> later then all is available "free" - so this does not seem to 
> put the debian social contract in a complete bind. For now, 
> obviously, a user is going to have to use the 
> non-gpl-compatible (and hence non-debian) utilities to create 
> a filesystem, and contributers to it will be credited.
> >  
> >
> Do you really think that there exists some moron willing to spend 4-5 
> man-years just so that debian can freely eliminate mention of 
> who built 
> reiser4?

No I don't, and I agree it would be wasteful to do, (and of no useful value, to me). But it is possible, so I was hoping debian would see the possibility as freedom enough to include the reiser4 filesystem. I want them to include reiser 4, but it seems impossible to include the reiser progs given your licensing requirements.


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