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Re: Bug#227159: ocaml: license conflict in Emacs Lisp support?

On Tue, 13 Jan 2004, Måns Rullgård wrote:
> Don Armstrong <don@donarmstrong.com> writes:
> > As you can see, linking is not the metric used. Only derivation is.
> Yes, and I say linking isn't a case of derivation.  I can easily
> find any number of people that disagree with RMS about this, so
> who's right?

If you or other people claim that linking is not a case of derivation,
they can advance arguments about it. Your arguments will be taken even
more seriously by volunteering a reasonable chunk of change to defend
such an argument in a court of law. I think 1-5M US$ ought to suffice.

> > The question is: Is the code a derivative work of Emacs? RMS seems
> > to believe that it is. As the FSF is the group in a position to
> > prosecute such a case, we generally will acquiese to their
> > viewpoint unless you
> So why don't you just blindly believe it when (possibly evil)
> companies make claims beneficial to them?

If a company interprets their apparently DFSG-Free license in a manner
that is non-free, or causes other software to be non-distributable, we
have two choices: Live with their interpretation, or fight their

As Debian itself generally does not have the resources to fight over
the copyright holder's interpretation of the terms of their own work,
especially when the interpretation is seemingly reasonable, we
generally fix the problem either by changing licensing of conflicting
works, removing the work in question, or working outside of the legal
system with upstream to clarify the terms of the work.

Don Armstrong

If I had a letter, sealed it in a locked vault and hid the vault
somewhere in New York. Then told you to read the letter, thats not
security, thats obscurity. If I made a letter, sealed it in a vault,
gave you the blueprints of the vault, the combinations of 1000 other
vaults, access to the best lock smiths in the world, then told you to
read the letter, and you still can't, thats security.
 -- Bruce Schneier


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