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Re: cadaver licensing issues: openssl and GPL again

On Sun, Oct 13, 2002 at 12:38:10AM +0100, Joe Orton wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 12, 2002 at 10:06:35AM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > On Sat, Oct 12, 2002 at 01:00:26PM +0100, Joe Orton wrote:

> > > On Fri, Oct 11, 2002 at 07:28:30PM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote:

> > > > The specific wording of the GPL grants an exception for linking binaries
> > > > against GPL-incompatible libraries that are part of the OS, *as long as*
> > > > your GPL binary is not shipped together with your libraries.  Debian
> > > > does not make this distinction; unless we were to make a new gpl-non-ssl
> > > > archive section, everything that we ship in main is part of a single OS
> > > > and is shipped together.

> > > Hmmm, I see the wording:

> > >   "unless that component [of the OS] itself accompanies the executable"

> > > Surely if your interpretation of this is correct, the *BSD projects
> > > could not redistribute GPL code linked against their C libraries, which
> > > they currently do with GCC and more?

> > The current generation of BSD system libraries are all licensed in a
> > GPL-compatible manner (BSD license w/o advertising clause).

> OK, bad example. Better examples are that Solaris ships with gzip, or
> BSD/OS ships with gcc, emacs, and so on....  Aren't those GPL
> violations?

Are these actually shipped as part of the OS?  I was told at one point
that Sun shipped all of the GNU tools on a separate, add-on CD because
of this clause of the GPL.  If these packages are linked against
proprietary libs and are being shipped as part of the OS, that would
seem to be a GPL violation, yes.

It may also be that the companies doing this have large legal teams who
have determined it is not a license violation.  But as far as we in
Debian understand it, it is, so we can't afford to ship binaries in this
configuration unless we have clear proof of this -- whether or not
others out there might be doing it.

Steve Langasek
postmodern programmer

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