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Re: [hpoj-devel] Bug#147430: hpoj: Linking against OpenSSL licensing modification (GPL)

Hi, Andreas.  Thanks for your quick response, and I apologize again for
phoning you at work.  :-)  Thanks for your comments about the progress
of the project, and I'm sure you'll find the next version (0.90) to be
even better, especially in the area of scanning support.  Thanks also
to Roger, Gerhard, and you for starting the project in the first place,
which proved valuable to show to my management as justification for
getting involved in this effort.

Thanks for giving permission for the license change.  If it's OK with
you, my preference would be to remove your name altogether from the
copyright notice, since Joe has replaced nearly all of your code anyway.
This is certainly not meant for de-motivation purposes, but rather so
I won't have to try to track you down again if we ever need to make
another license change.

I'm CCing again the addresses for the Debian bug-tracker (where this
issue originated) and the debian-legal mailing lists.  For now please
"reply to all" for any replies to this matter until it's closed.


Andreas Fester wrote:
> Hi,
> First of all I would like to express my contentment on
> how the project Roger, Gerhard and I started four years ago
> has evolved during the last years. David and all the other contributors
> have done a great job, and although I am not currently active in the
> project I am still listening to the mailing lists. I also installed
> the hpoj package some time ago on my SuSE 7.3 distribution, and was
> amazed how easy it was to integrate it into the system.
> Regarding the license issue below, I do not see any problem to proceed
> as David suggested and Joe agreed with.
> I also saw the "circa" copyright statement when I installed the package,
> but as Joe says there is not really much code remaining which originates
> from me. You could just remove the circa statement as proposed, or also
> remove the complete line. (If the line itself remains in the file, I
> probably might be more motivated to re-engage myself again in the 
> project ;-) )
> Thanks,
> 	Andreas
> Joe Piolunek wrote:
> > On Monday 22 July 2002 11:05 pm, PASCHAL,DAVID (HP-Roseville,ex1) wrote:
> > <...>
> > 
> >>xojpanel is the only non-HP component in the hpoj package which needs an
> >>OpenSSL exception statement.  For xojpanel, I would like to propose use of
> >>the "standard" FSF exception template from
> >>"http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#WritingFSWithNFLibs";, unless
> >>Andreas and Joe would really prefer the above version:
> >>
> >>  In addition, as a special exception, Andreas Fester and Joe
> >>  Piolunek give permission to link the code of this program with the
> >>  OpenSSL library (or with modified versions of OpenSSL that use the
> >>  same license as OpenSSL), and distribute linked combinations including
> >>  the two.  You must obey the GNU General Public License in all
> >>  respects for all of the code used other than OpenSSL.  If you modify
> >>  this file, you may extend this exception to your version of the
> >>  file, but you are not obligated to do so.  If you do not wish to
> >>  do so, delete this exception statement from your version.
> >>
> >>I'm proposing this alternative for xojpanel because it's more "standard"
> >>(FSF-recommended), and to avoid my having to go back and get everybody's
> >>permission again if I need to update the LICENSE.OpenSSL to reflect license
> >>changes in the upstream OpenSSL.  For all practical purposes, the least
> >>permissive notions from both versions would have to be satisfied for
> >>xojpanel, since it links to libptal, and that might provide a small form of
> >>"insurance policy" in case one of the two forms ends up with an undesirably
> >>permissive loophole.
> >>
> >>Is this solution OK for everybody?  Andreas and Joe, I'll need approval from
> >>both of you in to go ahead with adding this to the xojpanel source code.
> >>
> > 
> > David:
> > 
> > I agree with the use of the FSF template, and specifically, your proposed 
> > wording as quoted above. You have my permission to add it. 
> > 
> > 
> >>Also Andreas, what exact copyright statement do you want made on your behalf
> >>there?  Currently as exemplified by
> >>"http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/hpoj/hpoj/apps/xojpanel/xojp
> >>anel.cpp?rev=1.6&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup" it says "Copyright
> >>(C) circa 1998 Andreas Fester".  If nothing else I would suggest removing
> >>the word "circa", and looking back at the timestamps in the old tarballs it
> >>appears that xojpanel made its debut in version 0.2 with source files dated
> >>November 18, 1999, so your copyright year may need to be changed to 1999.
> >>
> > 
> > I added the "circa 1998" copyright notice that refers to Andreas' 
> > contribution (if indeed it was his. I've been assuming Andreas did the 
> > original work, but found no specific copyright date/name included in the 
> > xojpanel files, so authorship may not be totally clear).  One reason for the 
> > addition was to avoid any appearance that I might be taking credit for 
> > originating the application.
> > 
> > Today, almost none of xojpanel's original code remains, but I do hope that 
> > Andreas (or the original author, if not Andreas) will agree to your plan, if 
> > only to avoid unnecessary problems. 
> -- 
> Andreas Fester                         EIGNER
> Senior Software Engineer               Precision Lifecycle Management
> Phone : +(49) 721-6291-0               Ruschgraben 133
> Fax   : +(49) 721-6291-88              D-76139 Karlsruhe
> EMail : Andreas.Fester@eigner.com      http://www.eigner.com

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