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>>>>> "Stephane" == Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@pasteur.fr> writes:

    Stephane> And there is a legal problem first. What do people on
    Stephane> debian-legal think of the agreement you have to sign:

There's exactly one point I would dare to sign...

    Stephane> OPEN-SOURCE CLICKWRAP IPLA

[...]

    Stephane> 4. Since the Intel Equipment that you are using is
    Stephane> pre-release hardware and incorporates pre-release
    Stephane> software and is configured to permit multiple people to
    Stephane> test code on the equipment, this equipment will not
    Stephane> generate reliable benchmarking data. I understand that
    Stephane> no reliable benchmarking data can be generated on the
    Stephane> Intel Equipment. Therefore, you agree that you will not
    Stephane> disclose publicly or share with any third party any
    Stephane> benchmarks generated using the Intel Equpment and/or
    Stephane> Intel Software.

So don't even mention that "Even with 10 parallel compiles (and a load
of 20) it's still 10 times faster than an Athon 1000" to a friend.

No, it's praise, but it could be taken to be a benchmark result... if
Intel found a reason to hurt you or your project.

Yes, I might be paranoid... but as Andy Grove said, "Only the paranoid
survive" ;-)

But this is *not* the clause I mention in the intro.  The following
is.

    Stephane> 11. USER SUBMISSIONS: Any material, information or other
    Stephane> communication you transmit or post to this Site will be
    Stephane> considered non-confidential and non-proprietary
    Stephane> ("Communications").

Starts pretty harmless...

    Stephane> Intel will have no obligations with respect to the
    Stephane> Communications. Intel and its designees will be free to
    Stephane> copy, disclose, distribute, incorporate and otherwise
    Stephane> use the Communications and all data, images, sounds,
    Stephane> text, and other things embodied therein for any and all
    Stephane> commercial or non-commercial purposes.

Woah.  Wait a second here... "Intel [...] will be free to [...],
incorporate and otherwise use [...] all data, images, sounds, text,
and other things embodied therein for any and all commercial or
non-commercial purposes."

No way I'd sign this... maybe my English's to weak, but the way this
can be used... makes me shiver.

    Stephane> You are prohibited from posting or transmitting to or
    Stephane> from this Site any unlawful, threatening, libelous,
    Stephane> defamatory, obscene, pornographic, or other material
    Stephane> that would violate any law.

And then a standard ending... of course this is all Verboten.

    Stephane> 16. GENERAL: Intel may revise these Terms at any time by
    Stephane> updating this posting. You should visit this page from
    Stephane> time to time to review the then-current Terms because
    Stephane> they are binding on you. Certain provisions of these
    Stephane> Terms may be superseded by expressly designated legal
    Stephane> notices or terms located on particular pages at this
    Stephane> Site.

Here's another nice one... same thing's in the SF TOS.  But at least
I'd trust VA a little bit more than Intel not to do non-nice things
here.

Though (and same goes for SF), why can't they simply tell one of such
mods, at least right after doing them (preferrably a couple days
before)?

BTW, the SF "we can change these terms whenever we feel like without
telling you, blblblblttt" (;-) are phrased a bit differently... the
most glaring difference is the "because they are binding" here (though
the SF TOS are binding too... so maybe Intel can be said to be more
open about this? ;-)

    Stephane> 17. [...] The failure of either party to enforce any
    Stephane> rights resulting from breach will not be deemed a
    Stephane> waiver.

Ha ha, Intel, who are you kidding here!  Intel's the only party here
that has *any* rights... (SCNR >:-|

All in all... no I wouldn't sign it (if I were in a position to have
anything to do on `Itanium' (wot a silly name ;-)

Bye, J

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