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Re: Explicit mention of normal CD for netinst images

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Removing the French contributors list, adding debian-boot as suggested
in the initial thread (on debian-www only), and also debian-cd that
might be of help here. Setting reply only to debian-www and
debian-l10n-english, since it's a web page issue (but this can be
argued), and that debian-l10n-english contributors kindly offer to
address it. Please refer to the full thread [0] for more input.

  0: http://lists.debian.org/debian-www/2011/09/threads.html#00149

Full quote of one of the last mail bellow, let me just add (with my www
contributor hat on) that your help is really welcome on this issue: this
page [1] should continue to offer direct links, together with a short
information as it is now (and making this information accurate and
understandable would definitely be an improvement ;-). Merging
information from the CD part [2] would also be welcome, so we may remove
the last page to avoid dispatched and redundant information.

  1: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst
  2: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/

Le 21/09/2011 04:00, Jonathan Nieder a écrit :
> Hi again,
> Just a few quick clarifications.
> Justin B Rye wrote:
>> Jonathan Nieder wrote:
>>>  - A _netboot_ image ("small bootable CD image for network install")
>>>    contains only the Debian installer components needed to boot up,
>>>    connect to the network, and acquire the rest of the installer from
>>>    a Debian mirror.  This is usable for non-netboot setups, too!
>>>  - A (larger) graphical variant of the netboot image.
>>>  - Another variant of the netboot image for Xen guests.
>> Yes... do all of the cdrom images include the graphical installer?
> Yep (including netboot/xen/mini.iso), with the exception of the the
> tiny cdrom image
>  <debian mirror>/dists/<release>/main/installer-<arch>/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
> mentioned above.
> [...]
>>>  - The _hd-media_ image
> [...]
>> I can hardly see the point of it either, now we've got iso-hybrid.
> Thinking about it more, that boot.img.gz is a (writable) VFAT
> filesystem could be handy, since it means your installation media can
> double as a drive for shuttling ordinary data between machines.
> The sequence of steps required
>  1. Decompress boot.img.gz and write it to a USB stick
>  2. Resize with gparted to fill the drive
>  3. Copy in a mini.iso
> is just two more than ideal. ;-)
> [...]
>>> 	1. A netinst image, which will at least set up a basic
>>> 	   non-graphical Debian system if the installer is not able to
>>> 	   connect to the network.  It fits on a Mini CD (at least for
>>> 	   i386) today, and hopefully it will continue to tomorrow.
>> s/netinst/"cdrom"/, but with a caveat that it isn't only for CDs; I'd
>> suggest saying that it fits on "anything more capacious than a
>> businesscard CD".  (When would anyone use the even smaller .iso?)
> Based on <http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/>, the netinst size is
> capped on i386 at (and generally near) 180 MB, the size of a typical
> Mini CD (and much larger than many businesscard CDs).
> The businesscard image, which seems less useful now that
> netboot/mini.iso and netboot/gtk/mini.iso exist, was once capped at
> 40 MB (it's closer to 50 MB now) and fits on a businesscard CD.
> netboot/gtk/mini.iso is around 30 MB.  netboot/mini.iso is ~20 MB.
> Smaller images can be downloaded and written to media more quickly.
> Users of smaller images can benefit from bugfixes after the media was
> written if the installer components left out are retrieved from an
> up-to-date Debian mirror (though that probably doesn't come up very
> often).
>> The MANIFEST implies that the ones for use on USB devices are
>> "hd-media" (also an odd name, which gets Google hits for digital video
>> players) and only the PXE version is "netboot".
> netboot/*.iso can be booted from USB devices, starting with squeeze
> installer beta 1 (30 October 2010).
> 'night,
> Jonathan

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