Bug#659378: [xen dom0] gnome-shell fails to start
On 02/11/2012 02:51 PM, Jonathan Nieder wrote:
> Panayiotis Karabassis wrote:
>
>> That making software free is making software better -and not only
>> technically- is obvious. But we are at the mercy of the hardware
>> manufacturers, at least for now, and the nouveau developers have a
>> much more difficult task to achieve that the nvidia developers.
>
> Sorry, I think I was unclear. I actually only meant that:
>
> - ordinary upstream Linux kernel, Xen, and X developers are able to
> understand the nouveau driver and not the nvidia driver, and in my
> experience presumably for this reason they refuse to even humor
> reports about the latter
>
> - as I mentioned, there has been recent work on getting nouveau
> working in a Xen dom0. And I have not heard of any work in this
> direction for the nvidia driver stack.
>
> I don't actually believe nouveau is fundamentally better for humanity
> than the nvidia driver.
I am sorry, but I do. I consider non-free software to be fundamentally
immoral, and more so the practice of using it, as in this case, to
trespass on my freedom to use my (more than justly paid) hardware with
whatever OS I feel like.
> In a way, they are a collaborative effort ---
> nvidia cannot release specs, so they provide a port of their Windows
> driver which the nouveau developers can reverse-engineer to produce
> a driver that uses the usual Linux interfaces.
I would argue that nvidia merely does not *want* to release their specs,
and that this is a practice that is hurting the industry.
But everyone is entitled to their opinion, and this is a bug report, not
a political forum.
> [...]
>>> There has been some important relevant work in v3.3-rc2. Could you
>>> test a 3.3-rc2 or newer kernel from kernel.org? See [2] for
>>> instructions.
>>
>> Thanks, but it didn't work (assuming I didn't make a mistake
>> compiling the kernel).
>
> There's only been relevant work in that version for nouveau (and other
> drivers that use ttm, like the radeon and i915 drivers). Did you test
> with nouveau? If so, could you say a little more about how it didn't
> work?
Yes I am sorry, but the nouveau driver does not work at all with my
machine, 3.1 or 3.3 kernel, Xen or no Xen. The X server does not start
at all, I get a black screen with an underscore flashing. Let me know if
you want more information.
>> I am confident that this will be fixed as
>> newer kernels or binary drivers become available. Will you leave
>> this report open until then, in case someone else has the same
>> problem?
>
> Do you mean that you would like the Debian kernel team to keep track
> of when a driver they have nothing to do with gets fixed and let you
> know? I'm sorry, but they don't have time for that, and as I
> mentioned before, there is already a bug filed against the appropriate
> package (bug#570365).
Yes I am sorry, I forgot about the other bug report.
> Hoping that clarifies a little,
> Jonathan
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Best regards,
Panayiotis Karabassis
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