> Well, from the below it looks like you're getting hit with an authorization > error. I usually run xhost +localhost in my .xsession file (through I've > been told that's horridly insecure, ect) why would it be that my user can do things if I start kde with startx and not if I start it via kdm? whereabouts does the xhost +localhost go? thanks for your help I'm just mystified as to why everything else works and knode doesnt Rachel