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Re: Eclipse and Debian


Am 27.11.2017 um 09:03 schrieb Daniel Pocock:
> Hi,
> This email is a general request for information about using Eclipse
> (both packaged or downloaded directly from upstream) on Debian systems.
> There is a packaging wiki page[1], it links to a missing page
> https://wiki.debian.org/Eclipse - would somebody consider creating that
> page and maybe adding answers to some of these questions there?

All information about Eclipse on the Debian wiki are outdated.

> Some high-level questions:
> - the current version of the package[2] is 3.8 (Juno), are there any
> fundamental issues with newer versions or is it just a lack of manpower?

The fundamental issue with Eclipse is the lack of manpower. See also
Debian bug #681726.

> - for people who want to download later versions (e.g. Oxygen) directly
> from upstream, could anybody comment on the JVM (OpenJDK or Oracle) and
> version to use on the current and previous Debian stable release?  Maybe
> a table on the wiki with Debian versions, JVM versions and Eclipse
> versions would be useful if anybody is inclined to create it.

OpenJDK 8 is the preferred JVM in stable/testing/sid and should work
with the latest Eclipse release.

> - upstream provides their own mechanism for adding and updating packages
> within Eclipse.  Could anybody comment on some of the implications for
> Linux users, in particular:
>    - how to ensure several hosts (laptop, office desktop, home desktop)
> have an identical set of plugins
>    - how to ensure several hosts (laptop, office desktop, home desktop)
> have identical settings
>       - is a diff of the settings tree sufficient?
>    - how to rollback to a known good state
>    - how to keep several team members (shared filesystem or separate
> hosts) in sync or help new team members/contributors start quickly with
> a preferred configuration
>    - could people create local plugin repositories to achieve some of
> those things?
> - best practices for Linux developers (either upstream or Debian) using
> things like the Eclipse CDT and Autotools support
>    - for example, I notice the default clean is "distclean" but some
> people may prefer a regular "clean", are there other gotchas like this?
>    - another example: the autotools support can do things like running
> configure but some people may prefer to do most of that from the command
> line and only let Eclipse run the make command

Several plugins for Eclipse are already packaged for Debian but they are
in need of an update as well. It is also possible to install upstream
plugins and in most cases that just works. However we can't really
support this use case because there are too many factors to consider and
in general we can't control upstream code without creating a proper
Debian package.

At the moment I can recommend Netbeans as an alternative for Java
developers in Debian.

> I realize that due to the nature of Eclipse there are not easy answers
> to some of these things but it would still be useful to have a quick
> summary of things for the wiki.

I hope that helps a little



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