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Re: New work on java-package



On 3/20/12 7:41 AM, Andrew Haley wrote:
On 03/19/2012 07:11 PM, Barry Hawkins wrote:
The focus of my message was to point out the need for users of Debian
and its derivatives to be able to install an official JRE or JDK from
Oracle. If I gave the impression of criticizing OpenJDK, my apologies;
that was not the intent.

Like so many others, I'll be happy when OpenJDK is the de facto
choice for all things based on the JVM. Currently, high performance
and graphical applications still see significant improvement when
using the Oracle JRE/JDK.

Comments like this are infuriating.  I want to make OpenJDK
competitive, but I can't do anything with this because I don't know
what you're talking about.  I can't reproduce the problem, so I can't
fix it.  Is there anything more frustrating than being told there's
a problem, but not what it is?  It's like something out of Kafka.

I agree that it's frustrating. What I typically see happen is that a client or colleague will try OpenJDK on CentOS or Ubuntu in production, see performance issues, and switch back to the Oracle JDK without ever considering a bug report or any sort of feedback to the OpenJDK project. The issue typically manifests itself as a production issue, with urgent priority, so once the switch back to the Oracle JDK has been made there's a "crisis averted" sort of relief and they go back to their normal routine on the job.

I should probably move this particular element to the OpenJDK channels, as I think the discussion would benefit audiences beyond Debian Java.

Actual specific problems with performance are something we can
address.  Core performance differences are very few:  It's the same VM.
Oracle does have a few magic optimized classes we don't have, and they
have a proprietary font renderer.  We don't use Oracle's plugin.
There isn't much else.

People are now using some less desirable approaches like the one
mentioned in a blog post from earlier in the year[0] which is not as
rigorous or disciplined as the approach we were taking when using
java-package years ago prior to the advent of the DLJ. I believe it
would be a service to our user community to provide the java-package
utility once more until the time when OpenJDK fully displaces Oracle's
non-free offering for all cases.

I understand, and I agree.

Andrew.

The term I used to use about java-package was that it was a "bridge technology"[0], something to serve in a provisional manner until the successor arrived.

[0] - http://barryhawkins.com/blog/2005/04/22/java-package-024-uploaded/

Cheers,
--
Barry Hawkins
All Things Computed
email: barry@alltc.com
twitter: barryhawkins
blog: http://barryhawkins.com/blog
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