Re: Co-maintaining Kaffe
Ean, dude, you've been treating Arnaud terribly on here. How about you
get over it, work on your package a bit, and simply cheer up?
All I've seen, as an outsider to this, is a vast amount of defensive
posturing from you. I've observed Arnaud trying to be nice to you - why
are you still trying to bait him, at this point?
Most of us are well aware that you can still treat someone like dirt
without using a lot of racy language that intentionally offends. You're
currently offending. If this continues, I think someone eventually *will*
simply take your package away, as it keeps the community healthy.
You simply making Arnaud the official maintainer sounds like a good idea.
Several people have mentioned that it is "a nice thing" to leave you as
the maintainer because this is your "last debian package", but i submit
that that *has* to cease to be an issue if you're not going to participate
in the community and in the development of the package that you are
(supposedly) responsible for.
back to lurk mode now...
--elijah
On Thu, 4 Mar 2004, Ean Schuessler wrote:
> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 14:43:34 -0600
> From: Ean Schuessler <ean@brainfood.com>
> To: debian-java@lists.debian.org
> Cc: Arnaud Vandyck <avdyk@debian.org>
> Subject: Re: Co-maintaining Kaffe
> Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 14:43:52 -0600 (CST)
> Resent-From: debian-java@lists.debian.org
>
> Arnaud,
>
> You know perfectly well that you are distorting the facts. Presumably,
> you think that you can escalate this situation to the point that QA will
> take Kaffe away from me and make you the maintainer. If that is your
> strategy, then fine, but I'll tell you now that it is a stupid and
> counter-productive effort that will make both you and I look foolish.
>
> Our last private communications we're between the 10th and the 19th of
> last month when we were discussing whether 1.1.4 had been released by
> Jim Pick. I had (on the 9th) stated quite plainly that I intended to
> deliver a 1.1.4 package. I'm certain you remember this email:
>
> -------
>
> Re: [Jim Pick] [kaffe] 1.1.4 Release on Monday
> From: Ean Schuessler <ean@brainfood.com> (Brainfood, Inc.)
> To: Arnaud Vandyck <arnaud.vandyck@ulg.ac.be>
> Date: 2004-02-09 05:45
>
> I am. Now, is everything that you want in 1.1.3-0.3? I'm going to try to
> actually do my job this time. :-)
>
> On Monday 09 February 2004 09:58, you wrote:
> > Are you ready for a new kaffe package? ;)
>
> -------
>
> Jim had not yet released the files and they were not released until the 19th.
> Happily, I had the good fortune to be in New Orleans for Mardi Gras by the
> 19th and was far too busy with my activities there to immediately release a
> package. I did, however, check e-mail during the Carnival festivities and
> intended to deal with the release on my return.
>
> When I returned to Dallas on the 25th I spent a day or so catching up with
> work and then prepared a Kaffe 1.1.4 package. When I went to upload this
> package I found, once again, that you had already performed an NMU. You knew
> I was intending to do an upload, you did write me to ask "hey dude, where is
> that Kaffe upload you promised?". You just did another NMU. Not only that,
> you added yourself as an Uploader and used a proper version number in a plain
> effort to hijack the package. If this isn't a purposeful effort to piss me
> off then I don't know what would be.
>
> Despite popular delusions, I did not tell you to add yourself as an Uploader
> and perform an NMU. You did not warn me of your intent to NMU 1.1.4. You did
> not discuss eliminating Kaffe from various architectures. I did not state
> that I was orphaning Kaffe and I have not refused communication with you.
>
> That brings us up to date.
>
> I don't feel ready to cede maintainership of the Kaffe package to you and here
> is why:
>
> - You can't seem to maintain a calm and professional tone in your
> communications when someone disagrees with you.
> - You have shown blatant disregard for Debian policy.
> - You have disregarded or avoided my polite efforts to work with you.
> - You have misrepresented our recent communications, presumably to make me
> look even worse than I actually am.
>
> Here are some good reasons to keep me around:
>
> - I have built all Free Software, all Java based systems for a number of the
> largest corporations on the planet.
> - I have a diverse knowledge of commercial and Free Java components and how
> they are actively being used in modern enterprise computing.
> - I know Tim Wilkinson, Jim Pick, Per Bothner, Graydon Hoare, Peter and Joerg
> Mehlitz and other assorted Kaffe/Classpath/GCJ people on a personal basis.
> - I have been around the Kaffe product since way, way before 1.0.
> - I have been the Debian Kaffe maintainer longer than a lot of people have
> been using Linux.
> - If you come frontin' on me in a flame war you will get served, dawg.
>
> That said, I agree that I'm a pretty sucky maintainer. You are doing great
> work. That's why I am asking you for help. Helping me does not mean avoiding
> talking to me, making me look bad and trying to hijack the Kaffe package.
> Those are divisive, offensive actions. Those actions will bring a mean, sharp
> tounged Ean to your INBOX. What you need to do is communicate with me, agree
> to reasonable steps for cooperation and not fly off the handle when I fail to
> immediately comply with your will. Sorry Arny, cooperation takes work, that's
> life.
>
> So, can we cut the crap and talk about how to cooperate? Or do you prefer to
> play flame ping-pong for another few hundred kilobytes?
>
> On Thursday 04 March 2004 06:26, Arnaud Vandyck wrote:
> > I did not make the request on -devel! I did send a bug to ftp.debian.org
> > and X-Debbugs-CC to -devel! If you don't want kaffe to be removed for
> > these arches, you'd better close #235808!
>
>
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