Bug#212863: [PROPSAL] New java policy including tools to manage the changes

[Jan Schulz <jasc.usenet@gmx.de>]

retitle 212863 [PROPSAL] New java policy including tools to manage the changes
thanks

Hallo Stefan,

* Stefan Gybas wrote:
>you (or anybody else) can't replace the whole Java Policy.

I can't see, why not?

>You need to
>submit individual proposals for the individual changes (e.g. the naming 
>of JARs in /usr/share/java or the use of your tools)

I think that breaking this proposal into small changes doesn't make
sense. More or less, it tries to change the way in which java
packagess are made.

I understand, that the main debian policy is a a document, which
enforces 'common practise'. IMO, the debian java policy is different,
as it is a document, which describes some rules, which are only
usefull, if all packages agree on them (like the virtual packages now
or the scipts in the proposal) and implement them.

It's not a ammendment but a replacement, as IMO the old policy does
not work properly. It also tries to fill most of the holes, which the
old policy left open (see the 'quetions' section).

I don't expect to have this changes implemented before sarge is
released.

>and you need people 
>(strictly speaking Debian developers) who second your proposals. Just

Yes, thats why I sent this bugreport. Sorry, that it wasn't titled
properly.

>package). Please remember, we don't have the constitutional power to 
>force other Debian developers to implement the specification. Changes 
>can only be made if (most of) the people that have to implement it 
>agree.

That's exactly, why I'm sending this now as a PROPOSAL to the
java-common pakage: to get the feedback if this changes are acceptable.

[scripts]
>I can include these in the java-common package but I will not replace 
>the Java Policy. These scripts need to prove their usability first 
>before they can be made mandatory.

Yes, I understood that. They are not meant as the 'last word', but I
also wanted them to get a broader audiance.

I will add wishlist bugs to the JVM packages and try to get a patch
into mpkg-j2sdk, so that they can be started to use in packaging
scripts and bootstrap scripts.

Thanks for the feedback!

Jan
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