Re: Defining ISP?
Relecture...
Back on earth.
Let us say things are started!
There will be a lot of lists of "packages", some will be "prefered" and
others "necessary" to build an "ideal distributions". Packages...
What will be obvious is the impossibility to satisfy every preferences and
desiderata; some difficult choices will have to be done. Packages will be
kept and others will have to go...
If we treat this subject this way, in the best of cases, what will happen
will be fragmentation. In the worst, we will forget what could have been an
interesting question.
By using the magic Debian formula, I mean Base+dpkg, everyone can build
his/her distribution. A distribution containing the necessary and prefered
packages and composing the "ideal distribution" Perfectly adapted and
exactly responding to his/her actual needs. This works well and doesn't need
to be changed.
Realising a "beautiful" distribution is part of personal developpement,
imposing it is...is...well, can't find the right word.
So, then, what is the problem?
"Defining ISP" in Debian is more thinking the ISP situation widely and
ahead, trying to create the atmosphere that will permit to see how this
branch is evoluting and help to adapt to this evolution.
Building a different ISP branch (a distribution with simpler words...but
it's not so simple in fact) will not be the final purpose then, it could
just be one of the multiple consequences of a process.
Another consequence could be also the way basic ISP knowledge could be
transmitted. Where is the place where knowledge about ISP tasks is given to
"newbies"?
"Newbie", a word generally whispered in a despising tone and defining these
poor subjects that trigger always by their questions the terrible RTFM!!!
Well, another week end again. This time it will be "Farfalle et thon aux
oignons" and two elegant bottles of Chablis...Is there anyone interested in
the recipe? The tunafish accompagned with oignons is delicious.
Knowldge gives wisdom, shared knowledge gives freedom...
shift
----- Original Message -----
From: "shift" <shift@tiscali.se>
To: "Jonathan G - Mailing Lists" <email-lists@surestorm.com>
Cc: <debian-isp@lists.debian.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: Defining ISP?
>
> The idea seems still interesting to me 2 days after the week-end! ( Did
> some definitive dammage happen? :)
> I imagine an install, giving possibilities of Raid, backup, replication,
> networking etc from the start, all necessary tools and programs, in a
> compact, easy to use distribution with some "ncursed" ISP specific
> administration tools. Something secure, minimalistic (I like the word and
> the concept) and with some optimization possibilities.
> does-it still seem confuse? Is it "une idee farfelue"?
>
> shift
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jonathan G - Mailing Lists" <email-lists@surestorm.com>
> To: <debian-isp@lists.debian.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 3:39 PM
> Subject: Re: Defining ISP?
>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > what i used to do is install a base system and then install some of the
> > package packs i've defined.
> >
> > For example, if what i want is install a web server with php % perl
> > support i use a config file what i've defined myself which contains
this:
> >
> >
> > apt-get install apache2-common apache2-mpm-prefork
> > libapache2-mod-auth-mysql libapache2-mod-perl2 php4-common
> > libmailtools-perl libhtml-format-perl bzip2 file libio-socket-ssl-perl
> > ca-certificates libapache2-mod-php4 php4-mysql php4-pear
> >
> >
> > For the rest of services exactly the same. I'v defined manually the
> > whole list of packages needed for web server, ftp server, irc server,
> > mail server (smtp, pop and imap), antivirus server, etc...
> >
> > If you can build a local mirror of you version of debian, i.e. sarge,
> > you can do local network installations, and your installs will be so
fast.
> >
> > That work fine for me at least :)
> >
> > BR,
> >
> > jonathan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Christian Hammers wrote:
> >
> > > On 2004-09-14 shift wrote:
> > >
> > >>Thinking maybe of a an ISP specific install. Lighter and even more
> > >>secure. A minimalistic distribution...
> > >
> > >
> > > Most ISP will probably have different servers for the different
services
> and on each of them they will start with a secure base install with as few
> software installed as possible and then just install
apache/postfix/proftpd
> whatever they need and customize it.
> > >
> > > I don't see a big bonus in a special ISP distribution. A better
> integration of iptables firewalls, vlans or traffic shapers would be nice
> but that's nothing ISP specific.
> > >
> > > bye,
> > >
> > > -christian-
> > >
> > > P.S.: pbuilder is a nice tool to build minimal installations that you
> can just untar onto a new harddisk
> >
> >
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