Re: please disable DDTSS for German!
Hi!
Regardless of answering to the first post in this thread I read the whole
thread.
@ Rhonda:
> Please disable the DDTS for German! This request might sound like an
> overreaction but things don't improve and only get worse. There is no
> way to know who translated something, leave them hints in any way and
> totally idiotic parts are "proofread" within the moment often enough.
Yes, to me it sounds like an like an overreaction. I am involved in the
translation process to German since June 2008. You say, things get worse.
I don't know anything about your QA work. There follows just one example:
<http://packages.debian.org/de/sid/sup>
In fact it was empty. But is it sure, that the reason was not a malfunction?
Sometimes the system works instable somehow (e.g. see BTS#497433 / It
happens that a package description requested via the mail interface gets
delivered, but the translation is not put into the database. ).
By the way, the reason for your annoyance now is work in progress:
http://ddtp.debian.net/ddtss/index.cgi/de/forreview/sup?1265933600
It could be pulled into the web interface.
> Given that there is no way to know who "translated" this and did
> "proofread" it, given that there is no way to either get a hint through
> to those people that either intentionally or out of plain stupidity di
> so I request to block German from the DDTSS as I have the hope that the
> mail interface to DDTP still works and would make such things stop.
Most of the actual German translation work is done by quite a view guys -
less than ten. Many of those using the web interface have created an
account and thus left their e-mail-adress. When I review a translation,
I can see, who pulled it in, who did the initial translation and so on.
The last twenty database entrys are listed below "Recently translated".
They can be pulled in again. Then translator and reviewers are displayed.
Currently three reviews are necessary for a translation becoming a new
database entry.
> This is so wrong and hurts and is hurtful to any sort of QA level - and
> I guess most of you know that I already lost my hope that things will
> actually improve in the German translation team (and that I'm not the
> only one with that), but this is just over-the-top once again.
Sometimes i am also disappointed how things are going on. There are
lengthy discussion and modification processes, correcting only part of
the errors and introducing new ones.
Then I use the e-mail interface to increase the amount of translations.
Currently the e-mail interface performs only basic format checks and
there is no peer review.
Thomas wrote:
> Let us discus package translations on the mailing list
debian-l10n-german and
> use DDTSS or DDTP for simple and easy upload.
I am afraid, there is a lack of manpower. I would rather suggest
automatically
sending the translation to the german list, when it has entered the
database.
This suggestion is based on the hope that the review process did work as it
should.
How can I help in QA? I am neither DD nor DM - for now.
Martin
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