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Re: where do NEW packages go?

On Sun, 19 May 2002, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:

> Sometimes they give some useless "Think about me/us" mail when somebody
> has some critic. But technically they always manage to reamin totally
> obscure. It's just that we need to think about them but are not
> allowed to help them. It would work better if it was the other way
> around. :)

Those who know how to do it know how to do several things.  They are part of
several groups(ftp-master, owner@bugs, buildd, security, nm).  Only those that
are in the know, and have proven they are trustworthy, have been able to fill
these roles.

The software these groups use is all available for everyone to see, so others
can figure out how it works, if they are willing.  However, what generally
happens is that some outside group sees something not occuring to their
liking, and then the following happens:

s = statement, a = answer

s: foo is broken, let's fix it.
 a: no it's not, it works fine.
s: yes it is
 a: <no answer, silence>
time passes
s: I can help, how do I help?
 a: <silence>  -- this happens because those doing the work are too busy to
    spoon feed everyone, and some have been burned in the past doing just
 a: Look <here>, <there>, and <the other place>, and learn how it works.
s: <suddnely no more offers of help>

> But what has the whole release process to do with an unreleased architecture?

Debian is a whole group.  Please stop trying to fragment it.

> > Debian is Debian is Debian.  If Debian is ported to Linux, then Linux must be
> > modified to fit the Debian OS.  Same for the Debian port to hurd.
> GNU is GNU. Debian is just a distribution. If you want to have the
> GNU/Hurd OS in Debian, you need to change Debian to make that
> possible. The GNU OS isn't the same as GNU/Linux. If it was, it
> wouldn't be called different.

No, you don't change the whole to make the part fit it.  You change the part
to fit in with the whole.

Someone here has backwards thinking.

> > And you couldn't have done it at a worse time.  CIM, real freeze, release.
> > All have been going on.  If you do not know that, then you really are living
> > in your own world, isolated from the rest of society by your own accord.
> It's not that Marcus didn't told me about what happened the years
> before the real freeze. It wasn't a very long story BTW, because not
> much actually happened.

What does this have to do with what I said?

> Oh, some I don't get respect because I haven't changed Debian? But I
> can't change Debian because I'm not allowed to because I haven't
> earned respect yet. And because I haven't earned respect I'm not
> allowed to critize. Is that what you mean? Then I choose for the
> status quo of not wanting to join an orginazation which works that
> way.

You'll find this is always the case everywhere.  You have to earn the respect
of your peers, both in software, the business world, and even with your
friends, before you are allowed to intrude on their world.

This is all common sense, which it appears that you are severly lacking.

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