Re: We have a problem
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On Wed, May 06, 2015 at 03:35:07PM +0100, Colin Tuckley wrote:
> On 06/05/15 14:28, Patrick Ouellette wrote:
>
> > It seems Mr. Ian Learmonth has taken it upon himself to remove
> > "inactive uploaders" from the soundmodem package without asking
> > those people if they wanted to be removed.
>
> First, his name is Iain.
That was a typing mistake on my part, and I apologize to Iain for
that. Thank you for calling it to my attention.
>
> Second, there is no requirement to ask before removing names from the
> Uploader list, especially if the debian/changelog shows that person
> has never worked on or uploaded the package.
>
There is no requirement, but it has been common practice and is
common courtesy to attempt to contact a person before removing
them.
(Not that it matters, but I worked with the package soundmodem-tools
back when the soundmodem code was part of the kernel. When soundmodem
was removed from kernel space, the tools were moved to the soundmodem
package. This was back in the 1999-2001 timeframe. Ancient history,
but it is what it is.)
> If you want to work on a package then it's a good idea to mention it
> on the list (or in #debian-hams) to avoid duplication. There is
> nothing stopping you (re-)adding your name when you are ready to
> upload a package.
>
No, there is nothing stopping me from re-adding myself to the uploaders
list, or even removing everyone from the list without telling them except
common courtesy and respect for the other people.
The larger issue is I have had communications with Iain. He is aware I
now have more time I can and am spending on Debian. Despite this,
he chose to remove me without even so much as a note that he was doing this.
> The arguments in Iain's reply to you are all valid. It has been very
> difficult to discover who is doing what on any of the team packages
> because of the vast number of names associated with them. Especially
> when several of those names don't respond to email.
>
I don't have an issue removing people who are unresponsive. I have not
been unresponsive. Honestly, I don't agree that a list of only 4-8 people
it is really all that difficult to figure out who is doing what. People
generally do send a note to the hamradio maintainers list when they are
working on a package. I recall seeing Thomas' email he had a new upstream
with a bug fix or two but I don't recall Iain telling the list he was working
on an updated package with the new version. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad
someone did.
> > Mr. Learmonth removed me from the current list of uploaders, even
> > though we have communicated on several occasions. To me, such a
> > act is pretty much nearly the same as hijacking a package.
>
> No it isn't *anything* like hijacking the package (he would need to
> remove the team from the maintainer field for it to be a hijack).
>
It shows the same lack of respect for other team members to summarily remove
them from the package as hijacking a package does to a package with a sole
maintainer.
If the rest of the Debian ham radio users are fine with this kind of behavior,
great I'll drop the issue.
Pat
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