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Re: directory to store TLE files

On Tue, Feb 17, 2004 at 01:50:40PM -0800, Rafael Skodlar wrote:
> It depends on your definition of wrong but it's very likely they are
> wrong.
> What has /var/lib to do with application data storage? MySQL in
> particular? lib is described as place to keep library files for C and
> other programing languages. Since when is mySQL data file(s) such a
> library?

No, /var/lib isn't described as a place to keep library files.
You might be confusing it with /usr/lib and /lib. Even /usr/lib is a
mixture of both libraries and architecture-specific data files.
(/usr/share is for architecture-non-specific data files.)

Here's what the FHS says, which is authorative:

       5.5  /var/lib : Variable state information

       /var/lib -- Variable state information
       +-<editor>  Editor backup files and state
       +-misc      Miscellaneous state data
       +-xdm       X display manager variable data
       +-<pkgtool> Packaging support files
       +-<package> State data for packages and subsystems
       This hierarchy holds state information pertaining to an application or
       the system.  State information is data that programs modify while they
       run, and that pertains to one specific host.  Users should never need to
       modify files in /var/lib to configure a package's operation.

       State information is generally used to preserve the condition of an
       application (or a group of inter-related applications) between
       invocations and between different instances of the same application.
       State information should generally remain valid after a reboot, should
       not be logging output, and should not be spooled data.

       An application (or a group of inter-related applications) should use a
       subdirectory of /var/lib for its data.  There is one required
       subdirectory, /var/lib/misc, which is intended for state files that
       don't need a subdirectory; the other subdirectories should only be
       present if the application in question is included in the distribution.

       /var/lib/<name> is the location that should be used for all distribution
       packaging support.  Different distributions may use different names, of

       An important difference between this version of this standard and
       previous ones is that applications are now required to use a
       subdirectory of /var/lib.

> Of course, others might disagree but keeping track of optionaly
> installed apps for backup purposes is not easy if the files end up mixed
> with default OS installation. When your apps become part of a
> distribution then I see no problem with having them in non local /usr
> structure.

I'm not sure what your point is with all this. We are talking about
satellite tracker applications supplied by Debian, so /var/lib is an
appropriate place for those applications to store data.

> That way backups become very simple.
> /etc, /root, /home, /opt, /usr/local, /var
> /var is for spool, log files and not application data storage IMO. Some

/var is for variable data, which includes databases. Which other FHS
directory would you suggest?

> There was a reason for the current Unix file structure, see book UNIX
> Power Tools, p.247.

"apt-get install debian-policy" and read
/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*; it describes the policy we use on
Debian and most distributions use.

Hamish Moffatt VK3SB <hamish@debian.org> <hamish@cloud.net.au>

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