On Thu, 2004-02-19 at 13:45, Christopher N. Deckard wrote:
I just upgraded to X 4.3.0 today in unstable. Since then, whenever I
use the key bindings I have set up for workspace switching, X will
completely crash. It's not every time, but most of the time. Using the
workspace switcher doesn't cause a crash. I also temporarily switched
to metacity and it doesn't crash X. I have no idea how to debug this.
Since you are using Gnome, you could start a "Failsafe xterm" session,
make sure you don't have any window's manager (wm's) running, i.e. no
"metacity" || "sawfish" || "whatever". To know this for sure, run
something like:
ps aux | grep MY_USER_NAME | more
so that you get a list of all processes running under your name. This
would be on the only window you will have open, "xterm".
After that, then let the fun begin, run whatever you need by hand to
start your wm:
sawfish &
gnome-* (whatever other gnome components but gnome-session of course)
And see the messages that scroll through the terminal.
Other places you might be intersted in looking are:
~/.xsession-errors # where all x-related errors get logged
/var/log/XFree86.0.log # where all x-startup issues get logged
I would switch to metacity if it weren't for the fact that that seems to
be an impossible task. That and metacity lacks a number of features
that I'm accustomed to in sawfish.
Ok, why switching to Metacity is an "impossible task"? Because you
cannot do "killall sawfish && metacity &" from a terminal? I don't see
why is it "impossible".
I do understand that there are a "number of features" that metacity
don't have, but hey, it's ROCK SOLID and it has every core feature any
user would ever want. It's 100% GTK-2 based and the "feature" list keeps
growing and growing the more I think about all the possible things it
has. Maybe mention a few things sawfish has that you necessarily need.
Write them down somewhere, look at Metacity's source code, and copy all
of it and fork it... make your own "sawfish-metacity" soup project at
SourceForge.net... I'm sure you will find plenty of people who would
want to work with you on that.
Bottom line is, Sawfish was good while it lasted, but it has always been
buggy.
Now, to take a straight quote from Metacity's description by the author:
"Boring window manager for the adult in
you. Many window managers are like Marshmallow Froot Loops; Metacity is
like Cheerios."
I used to be a sawfish user and also got pissed off when the switch
happened during the Gnome 1.4 to Gnome 2.x era. However, after I read
that quote, it calmed me down and I have never looked back, especially
not since I started finding packages like "metacity-setup" and the like
and a whole bunch of nice themes at themes.freshmeat.net (especially the
now beloved GnoMetal2 which I have modified a lot and placed under my
debian-embelisher mini project at
ftp://ftp.latinomixed.com/downloads/debian-embelisher/gtk-themes. I have
even included a "install.pl" inside that theme package to make it easier
for users to install it for Gnome; note that it changes Gaim, and adds
icon's and gtk-2.x/metacity-1 themes only. If you ever need to get back
your "gaim" icons, you will have to "apt-get --reinstall install gaim",
however, after using it you probably won't go back to the boring Gaim
icons.)
I hope that helps you. I'm not trying to "dis-" you in any form.
Any help would be appreciated.
I tried my best...
Thanks,
-Chris
P.S. Please CC me on replies as I'm not on the list.
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