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Re: Bug#652631: www.debian.org: please clarify the distinction between 'events@d.o' and 'debian-events-*@lists.d.o'



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begin  quotation  from Francesca Ciceri (in <[🔎] 20120221135142.GH8170@zouish.org>):
> sorry for the late reply on this important discussion: lately I was
> really really busy (in real life) and I just did Debian work if cruelly
> pinged ;).

Same for me.

> On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 01:30:10AM +0100, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
> > On 12/25/2011 11:11 PM, Arne Wichmann wrote:
> > [...]
> > >> b) at least for those who have access to Debian machines nothing is
> > >>    happening behind the scene, given that 'events@d.o' is archived on
> > >>    master [8].
> > > 
> > >> [8] <http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/webwml/webwml/english/events/README?revision=1.8&view=markup>

Hm. Where is the archive?

> > > I have not. Am I the only one to which this applies?
> > 
> > No. we often have people organizing stuff which are not DDs.
> 
> Not-DDs can be added to @debian.org alias: at least I was added
> at events@d.o when I wasn't a DD yet, and the same happened for
> cdvendors@debian.org.
> 
> Wrt organization: wiki is really useful for organizing stuff. And is also
> quite easy to follow the organization process *if* you're aware of the
> existence of the wikipage.

Yep, this is one of the points.

> On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 01:30:10AM +0100, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
> > May be the events team should - instead of founding itself - talk to those
> > people who are known to provide merch and booth material if they want to join
> > and what they can provide?
> [...]
> > 
> > Even better: the even team should consist of people from each d-events-$(locale)
> > list (probably those who are organizing a lot of stuff).
> 
> Oh!! Finally!
> To make a long story short: I have no experience of organizing events,
> for instance, and I'm in the events team just to do the promoting/www
> part. 
> It's quite a while that me and Luca are talking about enlarge the team, to
> include at least 1 person from each part-of-the-world where events are
> more regularly organized. 
> This person need to be one who often organizes events/booths, so someone
> with experience and who knows practical things about events.
> 
> Now, we usually have a lot of events in Europe mostly in the
> German-speaking area, but also in France and UK.
> Then we have few events in the US, some in Hispano
> America and Brazil and a *lot* of events in India (thanks to the Debian
> India group) and some in Taiwan.
> 
> I've thought about a couple of names for some of these areas (please fill
> the list of possible candidates for this area, or propose yourself!), to
> be part of the events team:
> 
> German-speaking area: Annette Kalbow, Arne Wichmann, Axel Beckert,
> 		      Franziska Lichtblau

I, at least, am not opposed to the idea.

> France-speaking area: Carl Chenet, Sylvestre Ledru
> UK: ...
> US: ...
> Hispano America: Fernando Estrada, Gunnar Wolf
> Brazil: Ana Caroll Comandulli, Marcelo Santana
> India: Praveen Arimbrathodiyil
> Taiwan: Andrew Lee

-nl had a quite active community when I last looked at it...

[...]
> If you all agree on this part, I'd really like to start to send some 
> invitation to the events team. ;)

Do. ;)

begin  quotation  from Franziska Lichtblau (in <[🔎] 20120223082519.GA31738@old-forest.org>):
> Hey, 
> 
> On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 02:51:42PM +0100, Francesca Ciceri wrote:
> [...]
> > First of all, just a correction:
> > 
> > On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 01:30:10AM +0100, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
> > > On 12/25/2011 11:11 PM, Arne Wichmann wrote:
> > > [...]
> > > >> b) at least for those who have access to Debian machines nothing is
> > > >>    happening behind the scene, given that 'events@d.o' is archived on
> > > >>    master [8].
> > > > 
> > > >> [8] <http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/webwml/webwml/english/events/README?revision=1.8&view=markup>
> > > > 
> > > > I have not. Am I the only one to which this applies?
> > > 
> > > No. we often have people organizing stuff which are not DDs.
> > 
> > 
> > Not-DDs can be added to @debian.org alias: at least I was added
> > at events@d.o when I wasn't a DD yet, and the same happened for
> > cdvendors@debian.org.
> 
> Arne, Axel and me talked about this to Luka at Fosdem - this problems seems
> to be solved. 

Hm. What was the solution? I remember, at least for me it was mainly a
clarification of the workflow, as Rhalina wrote below.

> > Wrt organization: wiki is really useful for organizing stuff. And is
> > also quite easy to follow the organization process *if* you're aware of
> > the existence of the wikipage.
> 
> Same thing applies here: There seems to be just a misunderstanding. So the
> workflow as I understood it is: Find an event, create a Wikipage, send
> event-+wikilink to events@d.o and everything is fine. From there on the
> event will be promoted and the organisation can happen in the wiki or via
> mailinglist etc.

And this should be documented prominently - the workflow of event
organization. In my view it should be the following:

- If you find an event in which Debien could possibly take part, mail to
  debian-events-<region>.
- If you want to organize an event create a wiki page for it (documentation
  how to do that should be linked from here) and send mail to
  debian-events-<region> that you have done so. If you need more help state
  that in mail and wiki.
- if you have enough help send mail to events@d.o. with the wikilink and
  information about the event

cu

AW
-- 
[...] If you don't want to be restricted, don't agree to it. If you are
coerced, comply as much as you must to protect yourself, just don't support
it. Noone can free you but yourself. (crag, on Debian Planet)
Arne Wichmann (aw@linux.de)

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