+++ Yavor Doganov [30/10/06 12:13 +0200]:
В Sat, 28 Oct 2006 15:15:46 -0500, Manoj Srivastava написа:
But don't ship non-free software while trying to convince us that you're devoted to free software. Or, alternatively, continue shipping it, but stop lying blatantly your users.
The social contract is pretty clear on this. In light of the social contract, I don't see how this is blatant lying.
Please don't use the GNU manuals as an excuse to make the non-free section more legitimate and keep it forever.
That is not the intention with the GNU manuals. There would be reasons for keeping the non-free section with or without the GNU manuals. But whether or not Debian is going to keep the non-free section is not really relevant to this discussion.
I'd prefer if you don't distribute non-free software, even if that means not distributing the GNU manuals. Their presence in this section is already a humiliation, anyway.
If you think that the non-free section of debian should be removed, debian-emacsen is not the proper forum for discussing it, debian-project would be more appropriate.
The GNU Project has never distributed non-free components of the system when there were no free alternatives developed. Doing so would totally undermine the goals of the whole movement, and very likely, the free replacements that exist today would never have been written.
But what we are talking about is the fact that GNU took the free emacs manual and made it non-free, not the other way around.
To fulfil its promises, I expect Debian to do the same. Is it that hard?
Yes. rewriting the emacs manual would be hard. If you could help with this, it would certainly be appreciated.
I am sorry you think we should not support our users desire to use non-free software like GNU documentation, but we are commited to all our users, including ones who still need to use non-freematerials.Again, calling packaging (=developing, enhancing) and distribution of non-free software "support" is outrageous. Debian is no different from the companies that develop and distribute non-free software -- they "support" their users too.
Are you saying that it would be better support for our users if we didn't provide a way of getting the emacs manual at all? stew
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