Re: Fwd: Re: Administration tools

["Nicolas Pettiaux" <nicolas.pettiaux@ael.be>]

2006/6/19, Knut Yrvin <knuty@skolelinux.no>:

I am sorry for not replying earlier. I had no connection.

> Mandag 19 juni 2006 18:14, skrev Nicolas Pettiaux:
> > Launchpad.net is a tool that has been developped by Canonical, who
> > manage the developpement of Ubuntu to have a process that is as open
> > as possible, while very well comprehensive too. It allows to define
> > the specification, see who does what, manage translations through the
> > web ...
>
> I had hoped you could elaborate a little of what Launchpad really does.

I am sorry. I'll try to elaborate when I find the time, but also when
I get more about the tools itself. I do only know as much as I can
see. And I find that there are many information available through
launchpad, centralized in one location.

> What is meant by "open as possible"?

all the information is widely available on the site to all.

> Does users of Launchpad or Launchpad it self commit patches upstream to
> the different free software projects?

good question. I do not know precisely. I hope so. I had understood
that the Ubuntu team would do that. I'll check when I can.

> After what is said about the
> Launchpad is that it does not supports upstream commits to the
> different free software projects.

If true, this is an organizational problem that we should work to
address with the Canonical and Ubuntu team and decision makers.

> Then that application introduce a
> workaround for the Debian Edu project, where the Debian developers
> commits directly to the source.

what do you mean by workaround ?

> Why does Debian Edu developers commit directly upstream to the source?
> That is done for practical reasons, and makes it more easy for e.g
> other distributions than *ubuntu to use the applications and
> translations made by the developers. There are a lot of free software
> distributions out there. We have agreements with Debian based LinEx,
> PSL-Brasil and Edubuntu:
>
> https://www.skolelinux.org/portal/press/press_releases/joint_statement_20040702
> http://wiki.skolelinux.de/Kooperation/Edubuntu
>
> Skolelinux / Debian Edu has got a request from the One Laptop per Child
> (OLPC) project to ensure that what we does of translations and code
> should be commited upstream to the source. The OLPC project is
> currently based on RedHat. Skolelinux also want that our effort should
> be easily usable for every educational project with free software that
> helps and enables the pupils create their own future. It will also
> makes it more easy for people to choose Debian as a basis system on
> OLPC for the countries that want's that. Then Launcpad seems to be a
> workaround ...
>
> >
> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/student-control-panel-completion
>
> After what I've heard this is a spec of an application thats already
> developed? The LinEx distro in Extremadura has deployed a pupil desktop
> control application for teachers on their 80.000 desktop PC's at > 180
> schools. This applications currently works for workstations. I've not
> heard if it works for thin clients. The applications is developed by
> LinEx after the specifications from teachers. We had a demonstration of
> the application at a schools at Extremadura under the Debian Edu
> gathering there:
>
> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Extremadura2006
>
> So my question. Is the student-control-panel-completion the same
> application thats already in production in schools at Extremadura? Is
> it a improvement with additional features, or is it something else?

I did not know this application.  I just found the other one on the
Edubuntu menu

> > Everything is supposedly managed within launchpad.net
> >
> > is this clearer ?
>
> So whats seems to be a clear cut answer, it's probably not :) So I hope
> you could add some more information.

I appreciate all the efforts of all these projects :

Debian-edu / Skolelinux / Linex are apparently all directely debian
based, while
Guadalinex / Edubuntu are ubuntu based, with ubuntu being based on debian
(see http://www.guadalinex.org/modules/news/article.php?storyid=132)

there is redundancy that could be stimulating, but that is also
frustrating as we may redo something that already exists.

I wonder how we could help with more collaboration on all these projects.

Is there also in debian a centralized tool that manage all the requests ?

Thanks,

Nicolas

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