El Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 10:39:53AM +0200, Andreas Tille va escriure:
> On Thu, 7 Jul 2005, Markus Gamenius wrote:
>
> >They have told me that you (the region) are nothing if you do not have
> >your own Linux-distro.
> Ups. I'll consider a Wernilux distro (the city I'm living in is called
> Wernigerode) because my city would be nothing without ist own Linux-distro.
> Strange logic ...
Yes, it is really weird, but it happens. I have the feeling that almost all
politicians want to have something that differentiates them from the rest,
but most of the time it's simply a matter of changing the desktop theme and
the background.
If that helps advocating free software I feel that is not that bad and
anyway the interested people knows that their *distribution* is a customized
Debian with small changes and a different release system.
The only thing that brothers me is a lot of users believe that the goverment
spends a lot of money on the generation on the customized distributions and
that is not true, as far as I know.
Oviously, the costs related to hardware and users support is not part the
generation, as it should also be done using a distribution without
customizations.
> >They are planing (not descided yet) to make one their selves.
> I'm more and more convinced that people can not stop buildin g their own
> Linux distro just because they lack the knowledge how to customize or
> enhance the source from where they derive. This is an absolute waste
> of time for the people who are building the distro. The disadvantage
> we as a oftenly used distro for derivatives have is not very big - we
> just will miss some reasonable patches which might lead to greater
> flexibility but in the end we could have much more easily to maintain
> Linux installations in the world if people would finally understand how
> to cooperate.
>
> To understand how to cooperate we dramatically need some good documentation
> HOW to do this and we probably need this documentation translated into
> the languages of potential derivers. When I faced this problem I started
> writing
> http://people.debian.org/~tille/cdd/
> I'd open the SVN immediately for a Spanish translation and accept patches
> how to make this easier to understand.
Well, I gave a talk about CDD on the last year edition of the conference and
yesterday I repeated it inside a tutorial about building CDD with the
cddtoolkit.
I believe that they were interested on the CDD model, as I talked for more
than 2 and a half hours by popular demand, as I was supposed to talk only
for one a half hours... ;)
During the Congres I've talked with some of the people that is making LiveCD
distributions in Catalonia and they are quite interested in cooperation, in
fact I was told that there are debian packages in preparation for the
scripts that some of them use to build their LiveCD systems (the Catix
LiveCD) and also that there are others that use the current CDD tools (the
LiveCD that is going to be distributed for the UPC students next year uses
metapackages built with the cdd-dev)
> >They say that they are going to use Skolelinux for this. I'm not sure
> >if this means a translated Skolelinux/Debian-Edu or a new distro based on
> >Skolelinux.
> Please try to convince them that an enhanced translation might be the best
> for all sides.
Hmm, the Skolelinux idea is from people at the conference, not from the
goverment, as Quim has explained in other message.
I believe it is a good idea, but it seems that companies that do not have
some kind of goverment certification won't be able to go after the public
tender, making near to impossible the use of distributions that don't
have a company behind them, as traditional IT companies look for
partnerships with other companies for this kind of projects.
Sadly that means that a lot of offers will be based on the commercial
distributions (I've heard rumours about Novell and the message from Quim
about Ubuntu)
Anyway, we will see what happens, as the tender has to be published an
resolved soon.
Greetings,
Sergio.
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Sergio Talens-Oliag <sto@debian.org> <http://people.debian.org/~sto/>
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