Re: linex & skolelinux.es & debian-edu
Tirsdag 13 juni 2006 01:29, skrev Holger Levsen:
> In Extremadura there has been a short discussion between Knut and one
> of the non-technical people (Pablo?) behind LinEx, the linux
> distribution also used in schools in Extremadura. Knut, can you
> please give a short summary on this?
I've got 15-20 minutes talk with José L. Redrejo Rodríguez. He is the
person that is in lead coordinator the LinEx distribution project in
Extremadura (correct me if I'm misunderstood this, but i don't know
what Desarrollador stands for, that is hes job title).
We talked about three things:
1. Cleared away the misunderstanding that Skolelinux is just an
LTSP-solution. Where that perception came from was unclear to me,
but it's not always easy to get the message through when you are
talking to technical persons who has little or no interest for the
every day usage of computer programs in a learning environment.
This misunderstanding is probably why it has taken time to
implement this joint statement[1] from the summer in 2004:
1.
http://www.skolelinux.org/portal/press/press_releases/joint_statement_20040702
Skolelinux has more precise reports what the project is doing both
at EU[2][3] and from debconf[4]. That should be read to get an
more updated picture of the projects goals and results:
2. http://ec.europa.eu/idabc/en/document/3373/470
3. http://europa.eu.int/idabc/en/document/3355/469
4. http://developer.skolelinux.no/artikler/2006-04-02-debconf6.pdf
The Norwegian public ICT advisory organisation states in a report
from 2003:
One of the basic concerns for the project has been that ICT in
the schools should be based on pedagogical principles and not be
guided by whatever software is most widely used.
Yes, some persons tend to forget this. So it's time to refresh our
memory. The ICT in schools should be based on pedagogical
priciples and not be guided by whatever software is most
widely used. José know that now :)
2. José demonstrated the different desktops made for schools in
Extremadura. We talked about exchanging and translate beginners
guides for pupils that uses the tailor made GNU/Linux desktop.
The Skolelinux effort and LinEx has exactly the same challenges
both pedagogically and technically. Extremadura has done more on
the teaching material and with the desktop for the lower
graders. This is what also Skolelinux is aiming for, but we have
not had the same resources and money that Extremadura has had since
2000. Anyway, the desktop is now our main concern, and we have also
had some sucsess with pedagogical software as e.g. stopmotion [5],
"popularity contest" and the interaction with the teachers picking
the programs.
5.
http://developer.skolelinux.no/info/studentgrupper/2005-hig-stopmotion/
3. On the technical side we talked about enterprise configuration,
especially when upgrading. To prevent that configs is breaking or
don't works as a part of the required services when upgrading.
We also talked about the operational an maintenance cost pr
computer and the investment cost. We also talked about the big
difference having a state driven free software project in the
schools and having a marked driven project as Skolelinux where we
compete without central political decisions and budgets. Whit
Skolelinux in Norway most of the decisions is done in the locally
in the municipalities, not on a state level. It's regular sales
activety - and we are pretty good at it :)
The conclusion is that we now will cooperate more closely. We should
translate documentation that is in use in the schools of
Extremadura. English is probably the best for a start, and from there
to Norwegian, German, French and other languages. We should help each
other with technical issues concerning handling of enterprise
configurations. Issues with debconf and such. José OK-ed this. So now
everything should be more easy to do :)
Regards
Knut Yrvin
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